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Dealing with constant insults against Polish


BubbaWoo 33 | 3,512  
9 Mar 2007 /  #151
Ok well I did say 'geographically'..

yeah but what does that mean... number of countries... area size of countries...?

and I still want to know whats going on with you, Ranj and the Decorator..

Dec just popped by to watch the rugby...

Im off home now.. catch u next time..

catch you later :)
Goonie 8 | 242  
9 Mar 2007 /  #152
I've heard every polish joke there is and I've enjoyed them all.

:lol:
ogorek - | 165  
9 Mar 2007 /  #153
i wonder what would you think if everyone in the Uk started to speak his own language??

Yleinen kielitiede eli lingvistiikka on kiinnostunut ihmiskielen luonteesta???

На нью жизнь существует. По вам решение удавалось, лет удавалось руководишь на. До вреде хороший или, том мы черт решение, над на пунктами раздутое!!??
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,512  
9 Mar 2007 /  #154
exactly... nobody knows what you are talking about... how far are you going to get...?
Riff - | 61  
9 Mar 2007 /  #155
As Russia would have defeated Germany without help of the US, in May 1945 Russia could have simply driven from Berlin to Paris and installed communism throughout Europe, putting allied troops there prevented that. Stalin would have all Germany's technology. Such

Who do you think bombed Germany back into the Stone age to enable Russia to advance so Easily. You seem to accidently on purpose forget 4 million pounds of bombs dropped on German factories, airports and towns by the USA. Your idol Chamberlain was also a very smart diplomat , right Einstein. Without food,gas, ammo, planes and trucks America could have let Lithuania by itself stroll into Berlin. Also, there were little things like Abombs, Patton and Americas airforce stopping Russia from moving to Paris. What part of "WITHOUT AMERICA BUILDING THE RUSSIAN RAILROAD AND SUPPLYING RUSSIA, GERMANY WOULD HAVE ROLLED THROUGH RUSSIA, THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO RUSSIAN OFfENSIVE," don't you understand.

The wermacht were defeated in stalingrad because they had no supplies,extreme cold, freezing equipment and the fighting was from house to house and was and turned to stalemate giving the russians time to build

The Russians did not build anything at that time. 98% of it's food, equipment and supplies came form the American Railroad and American planes. Your history books seemed to omit that point. Without the USA bankroll of Russia the Nazis would have rolled through, in the bad weather, because Russia would have been to weak to stop them. ( Without Britain as a staging area there would have been no D-day.) There would have been a D-day somewhere else. Thats a real reach. Where there is a will there is a way. Without Britain the war still could have been won.. I never said that the US was the only country that did anything. I'm saying in my opinion without America's part, Germany would have won WWII.

Sniff this punk.

9,000 children died fighting Nazi troops
in 60 days

Many Nazi children died fighting the allies. German Boys and girls,both fought and died.
peterweg 36 | 2,316  
9 Mar 2007 /  #156
The allied bombing didn't significatly affect production. What hurt them far more was the reapture of the oil fields by the Russians. The US did supply one thing in major numbers - trucks by the hundred of thousand. In fact the Ruskies had a saying the USA stamped on the stood for (in russian) Fu** that Son-of-bit*h Adolf.

However your claim that the US supplied 98% of Soviets supplies is laughable. Stopping the Germans advance to Moscow and at Stalingrad were entire Soviet doings, there were hardly any supplies sent by that stage in the war. BTW the UK made a considerable effort to resupply the USSR.
ArturSzastak 3 | 593  
9 Mar 2007 /  #157
What is "Cantonese"???

What countries? China and the Asian countries??
ogorek - | 165  
9 Mar 2007 /  #158
Many Nazi children died fighting the allies. German Boys and girls,both fought and died.

that's right - the 'Nazi Youth' - one of em's the Pope now.

It's a shame the Polish fighting kids never made contact with the
German fighting kids because they probably would have ended up
playing - and growing up mates in the future. They don't discriminate
over race or culture :)

So would you rather be a Frenchman who gave up the capital of their country in 6 weeks?

The first man to commit suicide from the Warsaw Stalin Tower was French - he thought it a more honorable place to die than the Eiffel Tower
ArturSzastak 3 | 593  
9 Mar 2007 /  #159
The first man to commit suicide from the Warsaw Stalin Tower was French - he thought it a more honorable place to die than the Eiffel Tower

Any truth to this or are you just trash talking??
ogorek - | 165  
9 Mar 2007 /  #160
emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=111508 - Palace of Culture and Science in Warsaw
Riff - | 61  
11 Mar 2007 /  #161
However your claim that the US supplied 98% of Soviets supplies is laughable. Stopping the Germans advance to Moscow and at Stalingrad were entire Soviet doings

Wrong; The Russians had some fine planes and some very fast tanks. However the planes and tanks had no fuel or ammo. The Russians no food. That last strike where the Russian Tanks and planes Blitzed the Germans at Stalingrade was made possible by the USA. The US supplied the parts for the broken down tanks and planes. The US railway supplied food,clothing, ammo, fuel. Even though the Germans had no supplies either did the Russians. Without the US turning the tide with Supplies the Germans would have taken Stalingrad. I guess you think Russian tanks and planes run without fuel and ammo. Read up about how fast the USA built the Railroad in Northern Russia. The US supplied 98% of the supplies to the Russians at their Victory at Stalingrad.

that's right - the 'Nazi Youth'

A fellow told me the other day how surprised he was when he walked up to the dead german soldiers and saw Blonde 16 year old girls in uniform. Toward the end, there were quite a few dying. I don't think there are any numbers.
ogorek - | 165  
11 Mar 2007 /  #162
saw Blonde 16 year old girls in uniform.

quite possibly - I think they recruited girls as young as 14 - the Deutsches Jungvolk even younger
sapphire 22 | 1,241  
14 Mar 2007 /  #163
Cantonese is a language spoken in China (there are several languages, but this is one of the main ones)
China

This is according to the actual numbers of people who speak various languages.. (ie) given the huge numbers of Cantonese speaking people in China, although it isnt spoken in other countries it still makes it one of most widely spoken languages (in terms of sheer numbers of people) I cant be bothered to look up the actual statistics, so Im sure some stat freak will prove me wrong..
peterweg 36 | 2,316  
14 Mar 2007 /  #164
Thats impossible. How exactly did the US get supplies to Russia? They had to be shipped from US to Uk, then on by the British navy to Archangel.

It is physically impossible for the amount of supplies you claim to have been shipped, Britain barely get enough through to supply its army one tenth the size of Russia's. Britain did supply as much as it could but the figures were tiny compaired to the USSR's needs.
Matyjasz 2 | 1,544  
14 Mar 2007 /  #165
The US supplied 98% of the supplies to the Russians at their Victory at Stalingrad.

98%? :( What are your sources?

There would have been a D-day somewhere else. Thats a real reach. Where there is a will there is a way. Without Britain the war still could have been won.

The question is, would there still be a will after Britain’s defeat?
ogorek - | 165  
14 Mar 2007 /  #166
Thats impossible. How exactly did the US get supplies to Russia?

A total of $50.1 billion (equivalent to nearly $700 billion at 2007 prices) worth of supplies were shipped: $31.4 billion to Britain, $11.3 billion to the Soviet Union, $3.2 billion to France and $1.6 billion to China. The USSR was highly dependent on trains, yet the desperate need to produce weapons meant that only about 92 locomotives were produced in the USSR during the entire war. In this context, the supply of 1,981 US locomotives can be better understood. Likewise, the Soviet air force was almost completely dependent on US supplies of very high octane aviation fuel. Although most Red Army tank units were equipped with Soviet-built tanks, their logistical support was provided by hundreds of thousands of high-quality US-made trucks. Indeed by 1945 nearly two-thirds of the truck strength of the Red Army was US-built. Trucks such as the Dodge ¾ ton and Studebaker 2.5 ton, were easily the best trucks available in their class on either side on the Eastern Front. US supplies of telephone cable, aluminium, and canned rations were also critical.

The list below is the amount of war material shipped to the Soviet Union through the US Lend-Lease program from its beginning until 30 September 1945.

Aircraft 14,795
Tanks 7,056
Jeeps 51,503
Trucks 375,883
Motorcycles 35,170
Tractors 8,071
Guns 8,218
Machine guns 131,633
Explosives 345,735 tons
Building equipment valued $10,910,000
Railroad freight cars 11,155
Locomotives 1,981
Cargo ships 90
Submarine hunters 105
Torpedo boats 197
Ship engines 7,784
Food supplies 4,478,000 tons
Machines and equipment $1,078,965,000
Non-ferrous metals 802,000 tons
Petroleum products 2,670,000 tons
Chemicals 842,000 tons
Cotton 106,893,000 tons
Leather 49,860 tons
Tires 3,786,000
Army boots 15,417,001 pairs

The question is, would there still be a will after Britain’s defeat?

If Britain had been defeated, the US would have gone round the back door, joined the Russians making a combined thrust from the East - and of course the soft under belly (Italy) having first defeated Rommel in North Africa
Patrycja19 63 | 2,700  
15 Mar 2007 /  #167
US Lend-Lease program from its beginning until 30 September 1945.

do we have any ideas who was running this program during that time? I would
like to know.:(
LoneStranger 3 | 382  
15 Mar 2007 /  #168
Patrycja19

ever faced any serious insult for being a Polish dear one?
peterweg 36 | 2,316  
15 Mar 2007 /  #169
Trucks, yes. Boots yes, Locomotives, yes.

But for the other stuff, what %age of the total Soviet needs/production? Did it make teh difference between winning or loosing, or were the 20Million Russia dead a better contribution.?

WW2 cost Britain £300Billion, $1200billion in 1945 money.

Your 50 => 700Bn calculation is wrong. Its more like $250Bn. Britain paid for it BTW, it wasn't a gift.
ogorek - | 165  
15 Mar 2007 /  #170
the 20Million Russia dead a better contribution.?

I heard 11 million war dead and the rest victims of Stalin's own work/starvation etc

Your 50 => 700Bn calculation

I borrowed this from another source - some historian.

My own opinion would be that - without the help of the US, Germany would have won the war. The UK would not have been strong enough to take on Hitler - it was bankrupt in 1944. Because of this there wouldn't have been a second front in the west and Germany would have sent it's full strength to defeat Russia. Like I said before, Poland defeated Russia in 1920.
ArturSzastak 3 | 593  
15 Mar 2007 /  #171
The US railway supplied food,clothing, ammo, fuel.

Since when is there a US railway in Russia???

Palace of Culture and Science in Warsaw

Oh my God. It is true. Thats funny stuff. I suddenly love French people. :)
peterweg 36 | 2,316  
16 Mar 2007 /  #172
Because of this there wouldn't have been a second front in the west and Germany would have sent it's full strength to defeat Russia. Like I said before, Poland defeated Russia in 1920.

The Axis powers had 90% of their strength against the Soviet Union. By the time the Allies invaded in 1944 the Axis were in full retreat. Do you think having an extra 10% would have allowed Germany to defeat the Soviet Union? Seems highly unlikely.

Yes, Poland defeated the Russians in 1920. However the army's were ten times bigger in 1943.
bleudetroit  
17 Mar 2007 /  #173
Nonsense. Poland lasted against the best army in the world at the time--Nazi Germany--for 4 weeks. And 2 weeks into the German attack, the USSR attacked from behind. Poland lost a 2-front war against Germany and the country that had at the time the largest military in the world.

CONTRAST that to France,which lasted a little over one month in a one-front invasion. And the French and British (and Belgium and Holland) had MORE tanks, planes and troops than Germany had.

Or contrast Poland's fate to Yugolsovia and Greece. They both only lasted 14 days against Germany (and Hungary).

The Polish resistance was active during the entire war against the Nazis. Contrast that with France (where more French HELPED Hitler and volunteered to fight for the SS than joined the resistance). The Polish underground was way more active than anyother European country (except maybe Russia). MOST European non-German allied countries, including Holland, Belgium, Denmark and even Switzerland, fielded HUGE amounts of volunteers for Hitler.

Every country in WW2 had calvary, including the Germans. The Russians used calvary well into the 1950s.

The Axis powers had 90% of their strength against the Soviet Union. By the time the Allies invaded in 1944 the Axis were in full retreat. Do you think having an extra 10% would have allowed Germany to defeat the Soviet Union? Seems highly unlikely.

To be forever debated...

Without the Western air campagin agianst Germany, all of the German airforce would have been against Russia. 90% of the Luftwaffe fought against the west and the bombing campaign...and without the bombing, German industry would have been producing even more tanks and planes than it already was.

Had the forces arrayed in Normandy (6 first rate SS Panzer divisons, about 900 plus Panter and Tiger tanks) been in the East, along with a few thousand extra fighter planes, a stalemate might have been possible...especially if Lend Lease by America would not have been giving the Soviets tens of thousands of trucks and thousands of Sherman tanks.
Maxxx Payne 1 | 196  
17 Mar 2007 /  #174
Thats impossible. How exactly did the US get supplies to Russia? They had to be shipped from US to Uk, then on by the British navy to Archangel.

they did ! In northern theatre of war the Murmansk port was important target for German Gebirgsj├Ąger stationed in Lapland. About a quarter of lend lease came through Murmansk.

About half came from Vladivostok, abot one quarter from Persia and the rest from Black Sea.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Silver_Fox

Yleinen kielitiede eli lingvistiikka on kiinnostunut ihmiskielen luonteesta???

You speak finnish ?? :)
Bartolome 2 | 1,085  
17 Mar 2007 /  #175
Since when is there a US railway in Russia???

Never heard about adjusting of locomotives' wheels on e.g. Polish-Russian border ?
Patrycja19 63 | 2,700  
17 Mar 2007 /  #176
ever faced any serious insult for being a Polish dear one?

I want names lol , yes, that was pretty unclear wasnt it.

oh well, maybe I wrote that when I was over tired. but really no excuses for me
i guess :)

names names give me names!! lol

ever faced any serious insult for being a Polish dear one?

not serious, not threatened if that is what you ask.

I need to seriously get with the program.. lol
truebrit 3 | 196  
17 Mar 2007 /  #177
The British defeated Rommel in North Africa.All this 'what if' stuff is pointless speculation.
Matyjasz 2 | 1,544  
19 Mar 2007 /  #178
If Britain had been defeated, the US would have gone round the back door, joined the Russians making a combined thrust from the East - and of course the soft under belly (Italy) having first defeated Rommel in North Africa

How do you know that they wouldn't accept Germany's reign in Europe?
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,512  
19 Mar 2007 /  #179
Quoting: ogorek
If Britain had been defeated

thats a pretty big IF mate
peterweg 36 | 2,316  
19 Mar 2007 /  #180
Never heard about adjusting of locomotives' wheels on e.g. Polish-Russian border ?

Which was in German hand for most of the war against Russia. I can't see the American's building a railway to a different guage in German occupied Poland/Russia so they could supply Russia.

How do you know that they wouldn't accept Germany's reign in Europe?

I think they probably would have, the effort required would have been huge and if Hitler removed the communists they would have been very pleased. Remember that removing Fascism wasn't the prime purpose of the allies efforts - look how Spain was left under the control of Franco. President Bush's grandfather was convicted of helping the Nazi's war effort, so working with the Nazi's would not have been beyond reason.

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