Absolutely balanced vision of Russo-Polish affairs (in Russian)

Unfortunately I couldnt provide you with URL on English or Polish version of this article. But I can only confirm that it represents absolutely balanced vision of Russo-Polish affairs. Hope only that my Polish friends will provide forum with English translation.

Here is Russian version of Polish article

inosmi.ru/stories/05/09/02/3453/242632.html

What is the title of the article in English?

"Poles like in Dostoevskiy's pieces" - I think, but of course, because it is a double translation, so I can't guarantee the exactness. It is from Polish "Przeglad"

Поляки - как из Достоевского means Poles just like from/in Dotoyevski (i.e. in Dostoyevski's writings).

Dostoyevski was strongly anti-Polish.

The original article (in Polish) can be found: przeglad-tygodnik.pl/index.php?site=felietony&name=969

AAAAnd? Your opinion?

A big pile of the usual garbage of a fella who needs to write a column for a paper. After all he needs to make a living somehow.

An example:

It's true that Russians have a mistaken idea about history, much like Poles, but at least they (RUssians) falsify history to their own benefit.

What kind of statement is that? That guy is an academic? Don't some Poles falsify history in the exact same manner? Am I wrong, or is this guy serious by commanding Russians for lying in a manner that is acceptable to him?

or this one:

They don't glorify their defeats, nor do they erect monuments to those who lost

Of course that is a lie too. They did lose in early WW2 by being swindled by Hitler and Co. That was a huge defeat in their military intelligence and political insight. And then they erected gobs of humongous monuments to the fallen, including those they killed themselves.

Heck, they even glorify their own weakness by establishing an anniversary of 1612 as their national holiday to honor a defeat of an insignificant group of drunken Poles who thought they could rule Moscow. How desperate, or hateful does one have to be to make that little bump in the history of a nation a major holiday?

Meanwhile they neglect to celebrate their newly found freedom after centuries of being screwed by herds of Mongols and the like.

Yes, I could agree with you. There are some strained argumentation in article. But I am asking you about some false interpretations of Russian actions in Polish press. Do they really take place or not, I think they do.

I think there is some over zealousness on the part of some Poles (including this forum) in how they approach Russian reactions to some current and historic matters, but it seldom matches the vigor with which Russian politicians and propaganda just refuse to admit that in fact Russia was an aggressor in Poland, No matter how you slice it and what legal lingo you use, and whether you consider Poles good or bad, nice or nasty, smart or stupid, Russians committed war crimes against Poland's population.

In truth, this is similar to some Polish attitudes towards, say Ukrainians. Poland did rule the lands of this neighboring nation for quite some time, but when Ukrainians got pizzed off and went on killing rampages a few times then some Poles cried foul. A few still do.

So you are for total confrontation?

A piece of garbage written by 5th rate commie "proffesor" for 3rd rate crappy lefty magazine.

See? This is what confirms my feelings about Russians. You asked me a question. I provided an answer. And you treat this as a suggestion there should be some kind of confrontation?

What is there to confront other than truth?

So who changed the title of this thread?

Bar confederates! Mount! There is a revolution in Poland!

check and mate.

dariusz has confronted the correct in a dark alley and skinned it alive to make matching boots and belt.

- Sorry to point out the obvious but "Polish" press is not Polish.
It is German, or American/Jewish.

I cannot read Russian so I used the Google translator to find out what this article was all about. The translation is adequate to make some judgments. The article is a classic Soviet propaganda piece full of historical distortions and lies. First of all the Poles did not murder Russian prisoners of war in 1920. That is one of the big lies in Soviet history used to divert attention from the fact that NKVD did murder prisoners as a matter of policy and the Red Armies of Lenin did the same. During WWII probably over 3 million prisoners of war were murdered by NKVD. Anywhere from 120-180,000 Polish prisoners of war were murdered by the NKVD between 1939 and Dec. 1941. Katyn is only a symbol of these crimes.

Here is another seemingly innocuous lie but a very big lie just the same. Quote:
“Many wonder why images of Poles in Dostoevsky's novels are always negative.” That is a big lie. I read his “Notes from the Underground” in which Dostoyevski describes his life in a Siberian prison and his many contacts with Poles all of whom he admired. I think this lie is included to show that Poles were hated by anti-Tsarist Russians, for whatever it is worth.

What one sees in this article is the classic Russian non-response to issues. Instead of responding to charges, they go into attack mode and throw a thousand lies out there for people to read. Most people just don’t have the patience for it. Those who read such trash end up believing some of the lies, because they cannot fathom the fact there there is no truth at all in the entire article.

You are definitely right in this case.
However I have to disagree with your statement concerning Dostoyevski.
He was a great writer being very low liar, Polonophobe, pedophile, gambler etc.etc. at the same time.

I want to make it clear, this article is not russian, and its author has polish origin, so it couldn't be russian or soviet propaganda. And I hardly can imagin that Dostoevskiy was pedophil, because he was sincer orthodox beliver and it is not in habit in orthodoxy (as it is in catholicism) to have any sexual contacts with adolescents.

Well proven fact, my friend.
Putin kissing boys' navels makes the same picture,
or not ?

sometimes I kiss my ex-bf's dog in his black nose, but I hardly can imagine that this fact represents me as zoophil, though I could say honestly I like this process.

For the love of Christ can you just keep it politics??

Ah...


So what ? One could easily find a hundred articles written by Russians and saying that Russia is more or less a pieace of ****.

it wasn't 'Ah', rather 'ha-ha'. Oh, sh!t. You are right, we all know that there are alot of such wh0res in Russian media. But certainly it is not a big problem because peoples despise them, knowing that all of them are on the american's salary.

So.. if somebody who is Russian criticizes Russia, Americans are paying the bill for him? That's a lot of pay checks to hand out.

Nobody hate Poles in Russia, we perfectly understand, that Poles are people like Russians, but with the exceptions of some little oddities in their characters.

I don't want be like Russians.

It isn't import.... I doubt that somebody will ask your oppinion in case of next partition.

Well.. it's true - the 1991 partition of Russia (or CCCP if you like) took place without any consultations with Polannd.
Shame upon you, Russian brothers.

Beeing gay is acceptable within orthodoxy then? :D HAHA

Borrka did not write that it was ConstantineK.

I don't care, just if you are going to pick on someone for saying something at least pick on the correct person.

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So how is the "supirior slavic nation" getting on?
Where is Crow in all of this?

Very well...