Openly gay in Poland

I do not think many people actually assumened that dumbledore spending a lot of time with harry cause he had devious intentions. It is overstated in the book/films, that it is just because they want to defeat the villain...

at least this is what the majority of people thinks/care...

I can assure you that I had very very devious intentions.

The majority of thinking adults don't think very much at all about Harry Pooter.., surely? :)

Somehow true since the book is directed to children, hoever a large segment of the harry-potter fans are adults...weirdly enough :P

retarded talk... Who cares if he's gay or nor? The movie is rated PG so don't worry you won't see him having orgies etc. get over that already.

You didn't see the unrated X version? Man, that Emma Thompson, or whatever her name is :)

M-G (hm, she is 19, right?)

That's not the point michaltk. The real wory is that children will be converted to gay by the revelation that Dumbledore is a homosexual. Pan Kazimierz said so.

Do you wash your teeth?

Yeps, every child that sees the movie, magically will start to crave for d1ck, and will go on search of a sugar daddy with a magic wand...

Let's stop harry and his magical stick!

LOL... If so then everybody’s gay already.

how did Harry Potter get into this disscussion

I only watch the movies to see Ralph fiennes as Voldamort, he plays an excellent bad guy.

Precisely. It matters because that was the conditional for the latter half of the sentence:


The statement I'm making is that this doesn't make sense, and that I never claimed that popular support for the Gay Rights lobby could turn people gay, and am not to be expected to argue such a point as you asked me to. Sorry to disappoint.

Pan Kazimierz has the hots for him :P

hahaha

what? He is imaginary. Does he know?

Lame.

Im always lame :P

^Always may be the wrong word. I think you're hilarious in the abstract: you activist types always claim to be the 'enlightened', 'progressive', 'intellectual'... when you see a real debate to the effect that homosexuality (*gasp!*) is not actually normal, you are reduced to name-calling, quote-chopping, and non-sequiter.

The debate has nothing to do with whether homosexuality is defined as "normal" or whether it should be described as an illness/defect/impairment etc.

normal:

–adjective
1. conforming to the standard or the common type; usual; not abnormal; regular; natural.
2. serving to establish a standard.

–noun
7. the average or mean: Production may fall below normal.
8. the standard or type.

Agreed, the average human being is not gay. It is not the standard nor the common type, therefore homosexuality could be described as "not normal". The same can be said of any disability, obesity, infertility, certain physical traits etc. People with ginger hair are not normal because they do not conform to the standard. Most humans do not have ginger hair. As ginger hair is not normal, it begs the question (as you seem to love the Harry Potter comparisons), why did J K Rowling decide to create several characters (The Weasleys) with ginger hair?


So are you suggesting that because this doesn't make sense:


It implies that the:


is a viable theory?

Weak.

Why dont we all be Gay and that way the world will be a much happier and better place.LOL.

you keep poland man.
i take woman :)

Mine does. That's what I was here for.


Red hair in fiction is often used to depict 'fiery' emotional state and/or shortness of temper. Blond for weakness of character -or- emotional detachment(sp? also, see: Malfoys), black for cool and rational (Harry, his father, Snape). This actually does hold pretty well for all the Weasleys excepting Ron and his father. That since you asked.




Errrno. It was one such thing that some people like to call 'a rhetorical question', to show that I am not interested in explaining how popularizing homosexuality could make people gay because I never said that it could in the first place.

What????????? This is just ridiculous. So in order to live happily with the ignorant, homosexuals have to act as heterosexual as possible?

I understand that people are traditional and intolerant to humanity and the involuntary sexual preferences of others that differ from there's. I understand it's a hard thing to move on from when you've been taught one way your entire life, but hiding your sexuality and acting as hetero as possible won't do any good for any of those ignorant people. Maybe Polish people are a little behind, as someone else said in this thread, but the only way they are going to move on and better themselves is if they are exposed to a true homosexual and see that they are human but they are different and they EMBRACE it and still manage to love themselves... As everyone should who is different in any way.

^You want to tell him to wear shirts that have targets on the back next? Go ahead. Maybe also start advertising the practice of leaving one's shiny new car parked in the poorest neighborhood around for a few days at a time on a regular basis, as well? With the doors unlocked and open?

There is such a thing as "expressing yourself", and there is such a way to do it as "petty and stupid".

No dude, it means respecting each other, you might do a lot of stuff i dont like, but that does NOT give me the right to bash you or ridiculize you right?

That's the whole point. tolerance, whether you consider it a sickness or whatever

It's not a question of whether they have the right to; the fact is that they do. And another fact is that they generally don't just decide, 'hey, let's go out gay-hunting tonight', and go around scrutinizing people to determine whether or not they are gay. Your typical gay-basher is a very simple man. He just gets drunk with his buddies, drives around at high speeds like drunk simple types do, and if he suddenly sees a man in a pink mini-skirt by the side of the roads decides in his drunken state that it would be a good idea to beat him up. How many times do you think that their target has been treated in such a fashion already that day? Compare: how many times has your average Franklin W., who is gay but does not feel the compulsive need to stand out and display the fact to the whole world, been the target of anti-gay violence that day? Sure, it probably wouldn't be a problem in A Perfect World where you could change the mindset of an entire group of people or at least keep the alcohol out of their systems, or it doesn't have to be in the real world, where you can just stop trying to get everyone's attention with your ridiculous choice clothing.

Whether or not you may have the right to take a walk where you please, that does not mean that you should target the poorest, most crime-filled neighborhood in your nation's capitol to walk through in a flashy suit, with a gold watch and occasionally stopping to count stacks of money in front of large groups of mean-looking people with tattoos and no hair. You may be exercising your rights, but that doesn't make what you're doing much less of just plain stupid.

This just makes me think that you do not know any gays...or u have, but only the transvenstites.


Where i come from, we dont go drunk driving gay bashing.

Differences in culture i guess.

That is correct. It is also correct that that is exactly what I am discouraging.


So where you come from, cross-dressing may well be an absolutely safe practice that carries zero risk of ass-kicking. But since we're talking specifically about Poland, I'll have to say that here, it's not.

yeps, we don't give a rat's ass how other decide to dress, why would i? i have better things to do...

Then what exactly is your argument? If we are in agreement that you can't popularize homosexuality, what is the problem with affording homosexuals the same rights as anyone else?


That's fine. So what you're saying is that Poland has a disproportianately high number of people who think it is ok to discriminate against homosexuals? So Poland is very backward in this respect?


I totally understand the concept. I wouldn't walk through some areas of London late at night chatting on my iphone as I am likely to be a victim of crime. That doesn't excuse the criminal, and that doesn't make it any less of a crime. It's like saying women who wear short skirts are asking to be raped!


If you're discouraging it, how exactly will attitudes ever change? Or are you happy that so many people in Poland are so ignorant? You don't believe in discrimination against homosexuals but you wont condone it?


Amen.


Thanks for that. But you agree that red hair is not normal?