Openly gay in Poland

Slavic women are very often bi(about 20% have experience with women) but very seldom completely lesbian while western lezbos are usually hardcore convinced lezbos in my opinion.

If she stops wearing what she likes, then we are talking about oppression developed by the behaviour of the rapist. which can be declared as a small dictatorship-feeling..someone else having control on what you do or how you behave..

What you are referring to is known as "Transvestites" or cross-dressers, which are not necessarily homosexual. In fact, none of my gay friends dress up like that. You can easily note a transvestite, while one can not note a homosexual that easily by passing one by. What I am referring to is the underlying note you make that apparently homosexuals bring it on themselves that they get beaten up. And that is pertinent not true.

Besides, isn't it so that most movements start out as radical as they can be, just to assume their position in society? Weren't the feminists of the 70's and the 80's extremely radical in their rejection of men and aren't they at the moment much more moderate in their views? I think in Poland and all former Eastern Bloc countries being open homosexual is rather novel at this point in time, so they need to establish their position in society. In a few decades they will have assumed the same position as homosexuals in my country.

M-G (freedom of mind and expression)

I made no such statement. What I did say was that cross-dressing is a great way to let everyone who might be interested in giving you a beating that you are one of their targets.


No. PETA, for example.

ha, ha. Priceless. Where are you going with that argument?

When I see 2 girls kissing the last thing Im thinking about is some guys ass...lol


I like those butch ones that act like guys with the flannel shirts and low voices.
When they shake your hand they try to give you the knuckle crush..lol

I know a girl that owns a Lesbian bar and its not like what you see in the movies, not all hot babes.

Maybe Im going to the wrong places....:)


You have organized groups of hoodlums taking over your streets and beating up gays??

That would never happen in the USA, and you call us uncivilized:)

So, just because there are some depraved minds out there who can't cope with the fact that they themselves might be homosexual, these ppl are not allowed or at least should not dress up when that is what they like? That is in fact the ruling of the mini-dictatorship, mentioned earlier in this or another thread by somebody. We don't want to go into a state like that. You may or may not like gays, but leave them in peace if they leave you in peace. Just because somebody does something you don't like, it's never a reason to use violence: that would be the same as when I don't like yellow t-shirts and I beat somebody up just for wearing a yellow t-shirt. I am just pointing out the ridiculousness of the whole line of thinking that gays should adjust to basically the wishes of the ppl who use violence against them. Poland needs to adjust this situation and it needs to adjust this really fast if they want to become part of the big family that is Europe. Guess they never expected these kind of issues when they became part of the EU in 2004. That it would be more than just economic gain.


PETA is the exception that does the rule. And in a way they are radical. Being radical does not always mean violent. In most cases it is, but not always.

M-G (global village - global family everybody accepted, except my ex-gf)

They made a public statement condemning Obama for swatting a fly... do I need to spell it out???


What the hell are you jabbering about?
The law says they can wear whatever they like, within reason. That doesn't make it a good idea. You're damn right that they should not do so if it leads to an astronomically improved chance of random beating, quit trying to make a cheap PC point with it.

oh, I see. That was pretty amusing in MY opinion.


No, you don't but do you expect me to read you mind? Are you loosing patience or you are just an arrogant person?;)

It was hilarious, i almost pissed my pants, that PETA people certainly has nothing better to do...

I am not the one bringing up the subject. And what for some is reasonable can be unreasonable for others. That's the way it works. The point is the fact that the way somebody dresses might lead to (in your own words) "an astronomically improved chance of random beating" and how much it says that we and Poland in particular still have to learn a lot about tolerance and peace and harmony. I noticed you get a bit agitated? Why is that?

On the other hand, I have never seen groups of gays beating up straight ppl just because they were straight and/or wore macho clothing.


On the other hand, I do like it when they have once again a naked protest against something. I always like especially the females protesting :) Although I think they should be standing up a bit more instead of just lying around in foetus-position. You don't see anything that way! Tsk!

:)

M-G (remembers seeing on TV what happened during the Gay Pride in Belgrade)

This is the same everywhere.
It also would seem that we have a good deal to learn about self-expression, since certain people feel that the best way to do this is through what most sane folks consider to be ridiculous and more importanltly quite petty means such as... unusual clothing.


Because a response indignantly defending people's 'right to wear whatever they want' is not a good one to posted advice that doing so was not always a good idea if it led to increased chance of injury/death.


Neither have I, nor the reverse. I have, however, heard of it happening, particularly in San Francisco.


Certainly not losing patience. Probably an arrogant person.

ask her who she really is???

Hhaha you perv!

Not only in Poland and not only concerning gay people. Here is an example of people in Glasgow dressed in a certain way (and playing certain songs) that led to an astronomically improved chance of a random beating.

youtube.com/watch?v=xogQHYUFoOc

Beg your pardon?

Perv = good :)


I am aware of that, but this thread is about homosexuals and the focus is on Poland. It just seems to happen more often there. Personally I think there should not be any improved chance of getting a beating if you are doing nothing wrong except wearing certain clothes, making certain music or walking a certain way. That should not be part of our current society. That is all I am trying to say.

M-G (hm 2)

That depends ;)


well put

If a boring old twart takes a younger guy, she is coming out for her femininity; if an old geezer takes a young chick, he's just an old pervert :)

M-G (indeed, everything depends, indeed)

I don't necessarily agree on the music. If it gets loud, it can get extremely irritating and obstructive to more hard-working, respectable members of society, and warrants a beating.

Look Pan Kazimirez I know alot of Polish people I have Polish friends in USA and Poland and I live with a Polish person so the **** I do know about how Poland view gays. dont tell me I dont know.every Polish person I know dont accept or tolerate them which is a shame.

Lesbians are always trying to hit on me. Some of them are really gorgeous too. They don't bother me though. They just laugh when I tell them, I'm strictly dickly, lol!

So you would also go to a party of young straight men and women in the middle of the night with loud music to beat them up? Loud music is not particularly orientation-related. In fact, my experience is that straight people (especially men) are more annoying in their behaviour than gay ppl. And what's worse, from straight men it gets tolerated because "they are like us". Gays have to walk on eggs all the time and not much gets tolerated from them.


I have the same experience. But besides it being a shame, I just think it's a kind of backward view. You may disagree with this opinion, but I think there is no room for any hatred or intolerance based on race, religion, orientation and the like. In fact, every civilized country has certain laws against these kind of excesses, simply because it is not tolerable in this 21st century anymore. We've been through that before and we have seen what hatred and intolerance can lead to in multiple instances, so why the heck does this cancer rears it's ugly head time and time again?

Funny thing in all of this is: as soon as you say something about Poland or the Poles, they start jabbering about discrimination and generally get upset. But apparently that's normal for them.

M-G (what a wonderful, wonderful world at 08:12 in the morning with an upset belly and a severe case of morning sickness)

Poland has still a looooong way to go...one generation more i think, then they will understand theses things which we take for normal in the west..oh well

Very prophetic of you... :)
Now let's get serious. What do they need to take from your "western" approach to gays?
Just list it please... with examples if possible.
We've discussed here so far some muzzy stuff of that Polish people are intolerable towards gays. Pls specify where is the boundary between being tolerant and savage easterner.

Well just treat them like human beings(what they are)

That's all!

And by the way we do not consider easterners as savage...

That doesn't clarify anything. :)

I've never said "dirty sods" or anything like that, I've never stupidly giggled while see them on streets, I've never put a slight on them while talked to them which would probably paint me as tolerant in your eyes.

Yet I consider homosexuality an illness that can develop and therefore should be localized. The quickest way to localization is to stop talking about that as if it is normal, whereas it's not. The second part I guess automatically makes me intolerable caveman who has a long road of evolution in front to be covered. :)

Did you get my point now?


Thank you. That merely sounded quite arrogant.

Ít has never been proven, its not proven, so its not an illness.


Nobody is asking you to love them, or to praise them or accept them, BUT tolerate..i mean you tolerate a child crying, a guy who worships buda, or anyother denominations, so why not tolerate someone who prefers a d.i.c.k in his a.s.s when he is in the privacy of his home...

It does not concern me at all what he does with his a.s.s does it to you?

That's my point...

I totally agree, I simply couldn't have put it better myself.

Similarly, I also advocate the localization of disabled people. Disability isn't normal, it's an illness. If someone develops an illness such as Multiple Sclerosis we shouldn't talk about it as if it is normal. Disabled people should not be encouraged to integrate in to society, it merely encourages them, and promotes the idea that disability is acceptable in society. F*ck wheelchair ramps, f*ck induction loops, why should wheelchair users and deaf people be encouraged to live their lives like normal non-disabled people. We need to localize this sh1t.

By giving equal rights to disabled people we are merely encouraging this illness to spread. This must not happen because before we know it, everyone will be disabled. What then? I shudder at the thought.

haha hope you are just being sarcastic!!