Openly gay in Poland

- I stand corrected on this point. I should've stated "...any NON-Gay Polish". Point granted.


That's what I don't like about Polish: they ALWAYS think their opinion and mentality is the best, just because they don't agree to other mentalities. I personally think it's not of this time and age to still reject homosexuality as not being part of society, a sickness or whatever. I think that is a retard view on things and this opinion should be abolished as soon as pssbl. But that is just my opinion.


And what would 'obnoxiously straight' be then? Something like: hey, you know what, I'm a man and I am going to f*ck as many women as I can tonight! Hey baby! You feel like f*cking tonight? Something like that?

The group you are referring to is only a very small part of the population and its mere existance is only due to the amount of repression they experience within a society.

M-G (21st century views - yes, Europe is progressing and Poland would be smart to join in the stream of ppls)

As for gays, I would rather be in a nightclub full of them than in a nightclub full of straight men any day. Most of the gays that I know are straight acting and wouldn't ever consider touching up a straight man, unless of course they had good reason to believe that the other guy was curious.

yes, you skipped the details. Are you looking them up now?


very good point.


not true, some of them would touch a straight man with the 10 foot pole;)

aphrodisiac

Yes, of course some would, but they would also be aware of what to receive in return, it would be the same if a straight man touched a woman inappropriately, he'd get a black eye from a six footer(me, lol!)

No, really?
Like, y'know, everybody else in the goddamn world?
The reason people have different opinions and mentalities is that everybody thinks they have the best ones, genius.


Which you think is better than that of everyone who disagrees with you. Which I personally don't see a problem with, because I can happily come to terms with the fact that I, in turn, think my opinions are where education is constant better than yours, except wherever they would come to align, in which case they're probably just more reformed. Otherwise, I'd hold your opinions instead.


Yes indeed something like that. And especially groping women as they pass by, generally being lewd, and cat-calling and the like.


So I hear, and have never denied. I only find it unfortunate that it also constitutes all the homosexuals I've ever had the displeasure of being acquainted with.


Oh, come on - you don't really believe that crap, do you? Bullsh*t.


There we are, out of the closet about thinking one's opinions are better than everyone else's...


That one gave me a good chuckle. It helped that I misread it at first to read 'main-stream', which although meaning the same thing, somehow still made it even funnier!


I am doing no such thing. Why would I? Even assuming that the findings as to who was the first human being with the virus were public info around the world, what exactly makes you think that whatever answer he gave to how he (/she?) acquired a sexually-transmitted disease from a baboon was an honest one? I prefer to simply not care too much, and to assume the obvious here.


Which, if you read my posts, was exactly what I advised to the OP in question here, thank you.

I think the point is, ( as corny as it may sound) live and let live,

I mean, do whatever you want as long as you do not bother others. You cannot go bashing other people just because of what they are, that is uncivilized, primitive, stupid and unnecesary.

Why get so offended by something that does not affect you directly?

How strange, are you a gay man? Because myself being a hetrosexual woman, I'd rather be in a club full of straight men. There are small amount of morons who think its okay to touch women up, simple answer is dont go to clubs full of morons.

As for the walk like a gay, smell like a gay and talk like gay...Oh well, I guess you're one of those.... I know gay men who, walk like a man, talk like a man and smell like a man, funny that isnt it them being men? The only thing that sets them apart from straight men is the fact that they are attracted to men and not women.


No he wouldnt, because I for one have just walked away from idiots who thought it was okay to touch my ass, rather not give them the satisfaction, I did however slap some silly biatch in a gay bar who thought it was okay to touch my breasts, women should know better.

Props for the post, but this does beg the question... what exactly were you doing in the gay bar in the first place?

Maybe curious :D

ShelleyS

Lol! No, but for a girl who wants to go out with her friends and enjoy themselves without any hassle from straight guys, it's the ideal place, but then again, I live in the UK and testosterone filled steroid heads seem to be everywhere, urrghh!


Yes, I suppose I am ;)


Well, obviously that's where we differ :)

That comment was directed toward adrian11224 in the OP, not yourself.

I thought so.

Is it gay to watch will & grace?

Pan Kazimierz


Was it?

So, you base your opinions on a better education? This made me in turn chuckle. While I have no objection against a certain dissent against homosexuals as such by contingents of society which do not happen to be gay or otherwise "different" from what is generally tolerated by the majority of the ppls, it just strikes me as funny that, even though well-spoken the level of thinking is merely one step above the gay-basher.

It is normal to have an adversion against alternate opinions than your own, however, I think that a good education in the field of homosexuality begins with acceptance of the phaenomenon. It is also normal that homosexuality meets with more or less resistance, differing per country, depending on the advancement of a society, as ppl always will have trouble with accepting/tolerating anything that is outside their pattern of thinking. Or what has been told to them is bad or whatever. This is normal and it is up to the government of respective countries to do something about this.

Governments are there to lead a country forth, and one aspect of this is transmitting tolerance and peace among their ppl. However, and I grant that these are incidents, but incidents on an official level, which raises fear for the un-official level, like the remarks of the former polish prime minister (or president, you can't tell the difference with these twins, but it was the same one who did those weird comments about Germany on an EU conference) about homosexuals and more specifically Anna Zaborska with her very strange (but in religious circles not unfamiliar) remark that AIDS and HIV are punishments of God for the Homosexuals. These are not really good examples on how to educate a ppl on the matter. I repeat, two incidents which make fears for what is happening on the un-official level.


I would say the bashing of gays is a means or repression and terror. You see this differently? Enlighten me.


Ah, it's personal :) In Holland we say 10 bad apples spoil it for 10.000 good apples. I have plenty of gay acquaintances and none of them are obnoxiously gay. Maybe at their home in private, but that is their business. None of them has ever tried to make a pass on me and has never acted over "woman-like", except just for fun. And yes, even though I am not a gay myself, I sometimes went with them to a gay-bar. Just because they always went with me to straight-clubs, I thought it would not be anything but normal I'd join them there. Although some tried, but they stayed away after I made them clear that I am not a gay. I wonder if girls have the same experience when they tell a drunk moron to stay away from them?


I can take (and laugh about) jokes a foreigner makes about my home-country. Can you?


Oh yes my dear, terribly :)

M-G (is good mooded again thanks to this)

Did they really say that? wow,, how did they ever join the EU? i'll never know.

They really said that. Well, a comment on the statements was that societies who have representatives like this are in fact Medieval and should not have joined the EU at all. But that is NOT my opinion, to make sure nobody attacks me on this :)

M-G (just do a search on Anna Zaborska in Google)

wow, what a bunch of medieval one-kers,, really, they should get them some books...

be careful, they might burn them :D

M-G (just kidding)

With some friends, its quite normal for straight people to go in gay bars in Manchester, unfortunately it was freshers week in my city and that night it was full of stupid people at a time it would normally be pretty quiet.


I never quite understand this point of view, I can have a good time with my friends in straight bars and clubs, I guess its the kind of bars and clubs that one frequents that dictates how many fools are in said bar.


That part of my post was for the OP.


Aint that the beauty of life, I'd rather not look like a screeming banshee in a bar by attacking a man, the lezbo that got a slap off me got it in the privacy of the ladies toilets, she only ended up getting a slap because she still seemed to think that it was okay to touch me up, after me clearly explaining that it's not appropriate behaviour!

What is that, S?

M-G (curious about freshers week and in fact anything else than Dublin)

Or use them as leveling device for under their tables, hahah one-kers!


S = sucker :P

I'm not sure how to decipher this, but I do think I know where the communication process that led to this confusion (that being my own) occured. I was referring not to opinions on sexuality, but opinion as a whole. Obviously, Jim Hansen's opinions (however that works) regarding astro-physics are going to be worth a lot more than my own, for example. I do not claim to be 'better-educated' on homosexuals, and cannot therefore base my opinions on said better education.


I would rather stay on the topic of how the bashing of gays is not what causes them to go out of their way at every possible opportunity to make it quite bloody obvious that they are gay.


Indeed, and I have no problem whatsoever with those sort of people.


I can indeed. Especially the ones which link things like 'following the stream' and 'intelligence'!

So instead of the police going to the scene and arrest the gay-bashers, homosexuals should just adhere to the wishes of gay-bashers in order not to be beaten up? I don't grasp this concept. Elighten again, pls.

Isn't that the same as saying that when a girl gets raped, she just should not have worn that mini-skirt?

M-G (quickie)

The week that I try and avoid any bars in Manchester, first year uni students...they've got freedom (first time living away from home for most) and cash (they've just got their student loans) and most of them need shooting! My city is a large university city...so we have more than our fair share of them!

At least one with the proper reaction to lezbos.I saw so many of them in Berlin.Even three lezbos kissing each other and in three way kiss in Alexanderplatz!

And they even russian girls in Berlin told me ''sorry we are lezbos and we are in love.''No wonder why gays increase in numbers in such cities.

yah, that must be it.

This sentence likely does not make quite as much sense as you think it does. "Instead of the police going to the scene and arresting the gay-bashers"? I don't get it. Do the police only go arrest gay-bashers when the gays in question where wearing pink women's clothing, had long hair, and were carrying purses?


No, it's like saying that when a girl gets raped, she should not discontinue wearing clothes. And, as we all know, girls getting raped does not cause other girls to become promiscuous flirts, and to start revealing increasing amounts of flesh on a regular basis.

That reminds me. I need a few reliable men....:)


I know, and it shows in the huge music-scene in Manchester.

M-G (sigue-sigue sputnik were not from Manchester, contrary to popular belief)

ShelleyS


So, you would slap a Lesbian and not a man if they both touched you inappropriately? I would slap them both as they're after the same thing. Interesting.