Black people in Poland

ok, so someone can tell me violence dont happen in poland?
or is there places neglected by poor communities and its a bad area to go to
because of this?

how many cities are bad in Poland? where you are not safe to walk without
someone or protection?


yes I agree , it is getting better. the neighboorhoods in which he speaks of are
like that because of the mayors who dont want to spend the money to do
something about it. cities are controlled by mayors who have the power to change
things. again it all boils down to Govt and if the govt would spend less on
themselfs and give more to communities which are struggleing, then maybe
things would get better.

for example mayor Kilpatrick, who sends his sister to las vegas, or was that him?
and buys new cars, vans for his family on citys tax money, why they voted him
back is beyond me. but then again, I didnt vote for bush either so nothing
surpises me anymore, maybe they know someone on the inside.

dont take this all to heart either. I am American Polish and we arent accepted
so well either from some. not all, many say kind things and others call us
wannabes. so its more of individual thought process which can be demented
there are a great deal of regulars on here and new ones who are very kind and
just great people to talk to.

and I do say that to all the good folks with utmost respect.

The war in Iraq is over oil and nothing else. England and America want the oil!!!

no bush wants it. we want the troops home now. the people of America
want the war to end. the congress wants it to end bush wants more troops
sent in.

You have stupid people everywhere not just America. People can't stand to be around stupid people. White are Black


You are right I mean Bush and the Oil companys of America.

its sad. people die for oil. and they said, well the reason gas prices went up
is because of the oil out on the gulf, they have to fix them. but what was the
excuse before Katrina? they have been sucking us dry since bush took office.

F*ck bush!!

I think you'll find 95% of English people welcome Polish people to England.

We do not welcome Pakistani's and muslims because they refuse to adopt our culture, thats why we say "another paki invading".

The reason people in britain are wary of black people is because of the gun culture and criminal lifestyles associated with them. I suggest a trip to Nottingham, east london or manchester for a look at how theese people contribute to our society.

It's all very good for you polish people in Poland to sit back and call all English racist, but when you've spent some time living with thee aliens your defending then you will realise why English people are turning more racist.

and just to continue on about black people., im sure the black people you've met in poland were curteous and respectfull to you, thats how they start when they get to england. although after 3 or 4 months they turn into 50 cent wannabe gun totting drug dealing criminals.

Slight sweeping generalisation there No Way!!!!

I wouldn't walk through Moss Side in the day yet I'll quite happily walk round where I live after dark....he has a point at the moment we have a lot of africans in the UK who dont speak English and have about 10 kids and one in the oven as my mum says walking down the street, I will point out my parents were never racists but in recent years they have see the decline of their country and have started to make comments like that!! It would seem in the most tolerent of people are no longer....IMHO

I wouldn't walk through Moss Side either - but that's both black and white people!!!! It's just a ****** area. Same can be said for many ****** areas in the UK, it's not all down to black people.

I disagree totally, that's more a product of 'poverty' than ethnicity.

90% black a few aisians and a few chavs..the gang war is Black gangs, no offence W, but I live in Manchester so therefore know a little bit more than someone from Oxford.


Crap, I live in North Manchester and there are council estates and they dont go about toating guns....reason being the estates are all white.

OK - we have very similar estates in Oxford like Blackdird Leys - well dodgy. You certainally wouldn't go there unless you had an armed escort, yes it has a large black community but it's not all black, that was my point.

And my final point on this thread.

That's a poor poor excuse. Any communitiy that acutally gives a ****. Don't need mayors to spend money to stop violence and chaos. All the goverment and other places do is give handouts,places that have black hiring quotas ,schools etc. It's all excuses. Yet again your taking one thing and calling it another. People are responisble for themselves. You don't see all white communities with these problems. The problem lies within the people who make it this way. Look at the big picture and stop blameing the goverment for not giveing enough handouts for people who dont care anyway. The communities that are struggling made it this way themselves maybe not all of the people but a good large majority of them are just sleeping in the bed they made. Ghettos don't produce violence and chaos , chaos and violence produce ghettos. Take your head out of your ass and look around. There is just no sense of civil responsiblily in this particular group of people.


Nope not in any way shape or form compared to certian cities in the USA.


Litte to none compared to places in america.


This just goes to show the mentality of these people. This guy has done diddly squat. The days of a good detroit ended when whites became the minority. The chances of a white mayor in detroit are little to none. Majority black city=black mayor thats just the way the cookie crumbles. This city is a perfect example to western society of what happends when the minority become the majority.

I disagree with you 100% I've met thousands of poor people, I've been all round the whole of Poland and most of eastern europe and I've never seen anybody behave as bad as the blacks do in England.

I live near Detroit, and you know what? You are 100% right. Way back when, Detroit was inhabited mostly by poles, germans, lithuanians, etc. Gradually, blacks started entering the equation and at first, they were alright. But then came Coleman Young, the first black mayor. He basically told all the whites that Detroit belonged to the blacks. He told them to hightail over the other side of eight mile (like the movie with eminem) which was the imposed racial barrier. Thw whites left, the blacks took over. The "gangsta mentality" era took over, Detroit crumbled. Blacks stop caring and paying taxes, Governor Granholm makes the white suberbs pay Detroit's taxes. The suberbs refuse, the blacks riot. (???) The blacks move out of Detroit and into the suberbs where the whites live. The whites move farther away after seeing what happened to Detroit. It's a never eneding cycle.


LOL. If America wants the oil, why are we friends with Israel? I mean, if we really wanted the oil we could just turn on Israel and Iran would give us all the oil we want! This indoctrination just amazes me...

First of all, I am not denying that Detroit isnt more black then white, and you
repeated what I said, that it was govt, and so did the next post.
my mother lived on a street in rouge with many blacks among them back
before the riots. no problems , but they got tired of segregated schools, water
fountains for blacks, bathrooms for blacks, chairs for blacks.

it isnt that way for whites, when we go to detroit, yes its run down, from lack
of care on the mayors part. the people still pay the taxes, and the people
from the burbs only pay taxes to work there.

we dont have white bathrooms, and white chairs, white only buses, white only
drinking fountains, they didnt change things like that because we are minority
in detroit.

they dont stick us on the back of a bus, or tell us to get up and move to another
seat because that seat is a black only seat.

I never said that people cant be comfortable and stick with their own, my whole
point is about people making it a point to knock down other races.
another point (good one by the way) eminem who lived in detroit, lived the poor
lifestyle to become a superstar! , Im sure Aretha Franklin also had a hand it
making detroit a bad city too, as it was her off spring that did it, and oh I forgot
to mention that they have aides/hiv, so you might not want to listen to their
music cause you might get infected.

Yes Im being sarcastic, Plenty of good people in Detroit as well as bad.
as there is all over.


I suggest you do the same, as you only see one way and thats bojownik's way

Maybe we should take you for a car ride and put you in the middle of this great
town and see how much mouthing off you do. I would love to make a movie on
it how you mingle with others. I would guess if your nice, they will let you go
but if your not, I am sure they will find a bunch of pitbulls to feed you to.

America and England already had a deal with Iraq to buy the oil for the next 30 years from Iraq for little or no money. They can't get this good of a deal with Israel. We don't want to deal with Iran because they may have nuclear weapons soon.

You'all need to read some Chomsky.

hi Patty:)

So deal with the criminals. Personally I have no tolerance for crime or criminals. Neither do I have sympathy for them. They should be dealt with severely like in NYC. Crime has dropped 76% in 12 years. You can walk through the South Bronx as safely as you do at Park Avenue. Drug dealing, gangs and out in the open petty crime has been smashed to pieces. The dominican, puertorican, jamaican, black and colombian drug lords and their gangs have been smashed to nothing.

I was there last week and saw the phenomenal change that has taken place. If NYC can radically change the crime so can elevated and enlightened Europeans beset by violence, sectarian religious extremists of both sides and petty criminals, murderers etc. Just follow the Giuliani method to peace and tranquility.

THE SOLUTION IS EXTREMELY SIMPLE!!

guys, am really pissed off by these talks about blacks. why should poles think they're much better than blacks in the name of preservation of so-called identity? guest3, can u elaborate more on this discrimination christened 'identity'?

Hi Casper :)

I would take the advice of the ones who said, just stay in areas where
they told you is ok, reason being, we have same problem with people
here in the states doing same, ya just dont walk in a rough neighborhood period!

but if your doing volunteer work, I dont think whom ever your staying with will
let you go in the bad areas, which poland has, just like england has and united
states, there is areas that you have to steer clear from .

dont want to generalize, but its true, we all have our bad neighborhoods.

my 2 cents :)


ooops, that was meant for John W -Original Poster :)

still saying - Hi Casper.

:)

What the heck???

Let me interject in this long running thread.

I am a Black American and I love touring the world, with my favorite destination Brazil for all of it's amazing things from food, music, dance, clubs, and of course people.

Unlike some places, they are celebrated for the exact opposite of what I'm reading here. Most Brazilians are of mixed Portugues, Local Indian, and African descent. Sprinkle in some German, Italian, and the largest Japanese population outside of Japan and you get the amazing melting pot that is Brazil.

But why am I scared?

Well, I was just at my favorite diner and met a woman who was Polish and I asked if she could tell us a bit about Poland and her eyes just lit up with excitement.

She went on and on about the beauty, the nightlife, the culture, etc.

Me being black, I had to ask if it were going to be ok for me to go and she said that while there, she never ever saw black people and that people might find me curious.

Curious I'm ok with, but getting jumped or spit at because some nut is scared that I'm coming to somehow dilute his race is something totally different. I'm fully aware of that rules of the street that say I should not get into a situation in someone else's neighborhood, but if spit touches me or someone touches me for that matter, I'm gonna swing and most likely going to lose because there would be too many people to fight, but why be in that situation at all.

I came to this forum to find some basic answers and see if I could do some advance research into how to I could best fit in and enjoy learning the history and culture of Poland, now I think that it's just better to scrap the whole thing and not kick the bees nest.

As for the guy talking about preserving race of something to that degree. He cannot and should not allow his silly fears or concerns to impact other people. What he's doing is impacting and hurting tourism and people learning about his country. All I knew about Poland up to this point were the endless US jokes that basically end in how some Polish person was so stupid or did something equally stupid. I don't think Polish are stupid, but you and I know that if there is a joke about someone being or doing something stupid, they use a Polish person. Sucks I think.

And the stats I read about some Arab dude shooting his daughter or some woman becoming part of some haram. Come on.

Do I believe it? Why not, but everyone here in the states knows are the wild stuff that goes on by white people, black people, all people. Completely disturbing stuff.

In my former line of work for example, if a woman or child went missing or a serial killer were on the loose, the profile was immediately a white male in his twenties. Is this fair? no, but statistically accurate, but also no reason to paint all white men as child abducting serial killers nor is it fair to paint the picture of an Arab idiot shooting his kid.

Just my 2 cents.

-Alex

I don't think you'd have a problem in most places. This girl sounds like she's from a small town or sth. There are may universities that blacks attend. Of course some people will be curious and stare, but I don't think you'll get too much negative reaction and staring is quite common. I've seen many black people in PL and they were getting along with everyone...some even spoke polish. Don't sweat it..you'll probably be with other people anyway.

dont be scared blackman... you will encounter racism in every part of the world... and i believe you already know this... poland is no different... you will find people that are not comfortable with the colour of your skin... but you will also find people who will welcome you with open arms... you might also find that you have a lot of fun... :)

Just like when a person goes to Africa. He will be either cast away or greeted with smiles.
A friend went on a safari hunt to Africa. The Africans knew he was from the US ( How could you miss it, he was white....) so they took advantage of it, charging him extra for rooms, meals and they even ripped a hole in the tent and stole a $5.000 gun.

White people are in mortal danger if they go to Zimbabwe. The Black Hitler of Africa, Dr. Mugabe has decreed that whites are inferior and must be exterminated. So it works both ways. There are good and bad in all races. Seek the good and stay away from the bad.

well count me out! :)

If they see you walking down the street with your hair and chains dangling from your neck and bell-bottom pants I think they will either run as heck, or throw a dagger at you - then run!!

maybe I can my a bong out of one of them blow guns

You can bong
I can bong
I will be with thee
And I'll supply the weed