Return PolishForums LIVE
  PolishForums Archive :
Archives - 2005-2009 / Life  % width 76

Anti-spanking law in Poland?


lesser 4 | 1,311  
3 Jun 2008 /  #61
Seanus

I have heard such opinion that when governments will want to obtain almost full control over life of the citizens they will start with chip implants in our bodies. However firstly such chips would be produced only for children to "help parents keep an eye on them". Because for children we would do everything. True, nice Orwellian vision :)
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
3 Jun 2008 /  #62
Yeah, one which seems to stir up hysteria but transgresses the boundaries of freedom. Prima facie, it's an infraction of civil liberties.
Kowalski 7 | 621  
5 Jun 2008 /  #63
To spank a child is a cruel, spiteful, ignoble, mean, disrespectful and dirty act because it is carried out towards a powerless person who is not allowed to defend herself / himself nor to escape from the aggressor and his ignorance.

Why spankings, slaps, and even apparently harmless blows like pats on the hand are dangerous for a baby?

1. They teach it violence.
2. They destroy the absolute certainty of being loved that the baby needs.
3. They cause anxiety: the expectancy of the next attack.
4. They convey a lie: they pretend to be educational, but parents actually use them to vent their anger; when they strike, it's because, as children, they were struck themselves.

5. They provoke anger and a desire for revenge, which remain repressed, only to be expressed much later.
6. They program the child to accept illogical arguments (I'm hurting you for your own good) that stay stored up in their body.
7. They destroy sensitivity and compassion for others and for oneself, and hence limit the capacity to gain insight.
VaFunkoolo 6 | 654  
5 Jun 2008 /  #64
Can you back up your claims with scientific study? If not, they remain just your claims.

I am not an advocator of violence, but throughout life I have met many people who just do not take in what they are told. A hefty clip round the ear accompanied by "you'll remember that now, wont you" could well work wonders.
Kowalski 7 | 621  
5 Jun 2008 /  #65
Can you back up your claims with scientific study?

There is so much! If interested in subject search for psychohistory or names Alice Miller or Lloyd de Mause.
VaFunkoolo 6 | 654  
5 Jun 2008 /  #66
There is so much!

So post a link!
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
5 Jun 2008 /  #67
firstly such chips would be produced only for children to "help parents keep an eye on them". Because for children we would do everything

Should be available in the UK in the next year or so and some parents are very happy to have this done. Im not 100% sure that it's a good thing, but it might prevernt child trafficing and help find children who have been murdered or just to keep an eye on the little blighters....

To smack or not to smack that is the question and we all (which is quite obvious) have our own views...Lets put it this way there was less violence in British schools before they abolished corporal punishment...hmmmm strange that init! and I was well aware of the consequences of my actions, if I did wrong I would be punished so I thought long and hard about what I did and I still do, so it didn't do me any harm quite the oposite.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
5 Jun 2008 /  #68
1 They teach it violence - Not strictly true. They teach it discipline and right from wrong. Education will teach that kid what their spanking meant.

2 They destroy the absolute certainty of being loved - Again, not necessarily true. Doing one doesn't necessarily negate the other. A child can still be loved by their parents whilst instilling discipline. It's not done out of hate or malice.

3 They cause anxiety - Partly true but it's up to the parent to directly establish the correlation between the wrongdoing and the accompanying spanking. Children move on better than adults, they will likely remember not to repeat their first mistake

4 They convey a lie - This has more substance to it. This is at the root of the problem. The child is an easy target and can't hit back. There are such cases but we have to leave it to trust. However, if anti-spanking laws are introduced, they have to be enforced and the police simply can't spot all the instances of this, not even close, it's merely coincidental if they do see sth.

5 - They provoke anger - true to a point but it depends on the kid. I was spanked and beaten as a kid but I know why (not my fault most of the time). I have learned to ignore such a fact and get on with my life. It'd serve no purpose for me to launch attacks against people. There are outlets for people with aggression that don't involve physical contact. Gotta rise above it but sometimes easier said than done

6 They program the child to accept illogical arguments - Yes and no. It's when the adult is unrelenting that the child begins to feel a sense of injustice. The punishment must be proportional and the chastisement reasonable.

7 They destroy compassion and sensitivity - that's a step too far I'd say. I'm very sensitive to the needs of others, not only in my job but in life in general. My beatings, according to ur theory, would suggest that I should be otherwise. Nobody that knows me would suggest that I lack insight.
Zgubiony 15 | 1,554  
5 Jun 2008 /  #69
1. They teach it violence.
2. They destroy the absolute certainty of being loved that the baby needs.
3. They cause anxiety: the expectancy of the next attack.
4. They convey a lie: they pretend to be educational, but parents actually use them to vent their anger; when they strike, it's because, as children, they were struck themselves.
5. They provoke anger and a desire for revenge, which remain repressed, only to be expressed much later.
6. They program the child to accept illogical arguments (I'm hurting you for your own good) that stay stored up in their body.
7. They destroy sensitivity and compassion for others and for oneself, and hence limit the capacity to gain insight.

I don't agree with any of this. I was diciplined (not beaten) when I was a child and I grew up just fine. I'm not violent nor do i look for revenge. I'm a sensitive man with a respect for others. You also mention baby. I don't think many people hit their babies. Now this is sth that I don't condone. Just my opinion.
lesser 4 | 1,311  
5 Jun 2008 /  #70
Should be available in the UK in the next year or so and some parents are very happy to have this done. Im not 100% sure that it's a good thing, but it might prevernt child trafficing and help find children who have been murdered or just to keep an eye on the little blighters....

So you know what is next. :) Just wait till it will be obligatory for every child in the EU. This is just question of time.
Kowalski 7 | 621  
5 Jun 2008 /  #71
So post a link!

stophitting.com/disathome/factsAndFiction.php
hairball 20 | 313  
6 Jun 2008 /  #72
To spank

Good post.

Kowalski:
There is so much!

So post a link!

How lasy can you be?

psychohistory.com/htm/05_history.html

Indeed, my conclusion from a lifetime of psychohistorical study of childhood and society is that the history of humanity is founded upon the abuse of children. Just as family therapists today find that child abuse often functions to hold families together as a way of solving their emotional problems, so, too, the routine assault of children has been society's most effective way of maintaining its collective emotional homeostasis. Most historical families once practiced infanticide, erotic beating and incest..

Lets put it this way there was less violence in British schools before they abolished corporal punishment...

That's the funniest thing I've ever read. Corpral punishment WAS the violence. So since they banned it the violence has reduced. The difference between now and then is that then it was "accepted," so it wasn't reported! And I can assure you that between '76 and '81 when I was in senior school there were fights every day between pupils!

I don't think many people hit their babies.

Actually Z, it's the result of two such babies suffering such abuse, one fatally, that this law is being considered.
VaFunkoolo 6 | 654  
6 Jun 2008 /  #73
How lasy can you be?

Er, asking someone to provide a link to a credible source backing up their claims is not lasy [sic] especially when there are many sources disproving their claim.
hairball 20 | 313  
6 Jun 2008 /  #74
disproving

Only by people who spancked!... He provided a few names to search.... and that is better than anything because to you can disregard any of the unlikely.

Oh, wow. This one really riled me up

Really?

Someone pointed to Sweden

That was me!

as if the lack of spanking in kids there means they have an ideal society,

I never suggested that, at all!

Sweden may not have psychotic serial killer

Are you sure? Please provide links to back up that claim.

Swedes commit suicide more often than Americans

S.A.D.S!! That's to do with the lack of sun-light in the winter!

Don't be lasy! Search it!

for the lasy: pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1965495

and have higher rates of extreme alcoholism,

see the above..

Is their practice of not spanking the kids creating those problems later on?

are you sugesting that subjecting children to phisycal violence will reduce suiside and extreme violence?

I can't advocate the Swedish way.

so what do you" advocate?".... Sledge hammer to the head? I'm sorry I got board with the rest of your post and as a sufferer of physicasl violence as a child I think that that is relevent!
southern 75 | 7,096  
6 Jun 2008 /  #75
I would like a spanking law in Poland.
pipeczko  
18 Jun 2008 /  #76
yes you would, i am sure. who would spank who? would it be obligatory to do it a certain number of times a day? i think at least once seriously, and then a number of times in passing throughout the day. it is very good for the circulation.

Archives - 2005-2009 / Life / Anti-spanking law in Poland?Archived