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'w' - difference between accusative+locative


Davey 13 | 388  
9 Dec 2007 /  #1
I know you can use the preposition 'w' with accusative or location(ex. w życie, w życiu)
What's the difference?
Michal - | 1,865  
10 Dec 2007 /  #2
Ja jestem w domu-I am in the house or I am at home. We use the locative case as it states location and not movement. W plus the accusative case would show movement though to be honest in Polish the language uses more do plus the genitive case. Russian uses w plus the accusative case all the time. Ja jestem w Londynie but ja jadę do Londynu. Popatrz na siebie w lusterko-look at yourself in the mirror is an example of w plus the accusative case.
MrBubbles 10 | 614  
10 Dec 2007 /  #3
I know you can use the preposition 'w' with accusative or location(ex. w życie, w życiu)
What's the difference?

Check the phrases on google. There'll be some verbs that use the accusative and some that use the locative.
Curtis 3 | 73  
10 Dec 2007 /  #4
How exactly do you pronounce "w" though? Is it similiar to how you would pronounce "w" the letter in lower case of the english alphabet?
porta 18 | 297  
10 Dec 2007 /  #5
W is like f in fish :)
RJ_cdn - | 267  
10 Dec 2007 /  #6
How exactly do you pronounce "w" though? Is it similiar to how you would pronounce "w" the letter in lower case of the english alphabet?

"w" is pronounced more like "v" in Violet or Victor
plk123 8 | 4,150  
10 Dec 2007 /  #7
yeah, w ~ v but there sure are instances where the 'w' may kind of sound like an 'f' however the correct pronounciation is the hard 'v' at all times.
osiol 55 | 3,922  
10 Dec 2007 /  #8
Doesn't it depend on whether the first letter of the following word is voiced or not?

And isn't it 'wy' before complicated consonant clusters?
What makes a consonant cluster difficult other than just being in Polish anyway?
Michal - | 1,865  
10 Dec 2007 /  #9
Skręć w pierwszę przecznicę na lewo-take the first turn on the left, is use of 'w' plus the accusative too.
z_darius 14 | 3,968  
10 Dec 2007 /  #10
What makes a consonant cluster difficult other than just being in Polish anyway?

we before f/v+ consonant (we Francji, we Wroclawiu)
w elsewhere (mostly) (w Warszawie, w Szwecji, w Szczecinie)

is that what you were asking about?
Michal - | 1,865  
10 Dec 2007 /  #11
And isn't it 'wy' before complicated consonant clusters?

There is a word in Polish wy but it is a personal pronoun meaning you in English. Wy mieszkacie, wy znacie ect but sadly has nothing to do with the preposition w and we.
plk123 8 | 4,150  
10 Dec 2007 /  #12
we before f/v+ consonant (we Francji, we Wroclawiu)

hmmm. wroclaw starts with W not f/v... ??
osiol 55 | 3,922  
10 Dec 2007 /  #13
is that what you were asking about?

Yes. This time I was getting muddled on a vowel.
z_darius 14 | 3,968  
10 Dec 2007 /  #14
hmmm. wroclaw starts with W not f/v

it was mean as pronounciation, not spelling, so you're right. Spelled out it should be f/w
we wroclawiu, we fromborku
osiol 55 | 3,922  
10 Dec 2007 /  #15
From what I can see in the dictionary, words beginning with the letter F don't look very Slavic in origin.
z_darius 14 | 3,968  
10 Dec 2007 /  #16
At least we can honestly say they were not "stolen from Russian" :)

Never thought about that before but indeed, most of them look like borrowings.
OP Davey 13 | 388  
12 Dec 2007 /  #17
Ja jestem w domu-I am in the house or I am at home. We use the locative case as it states location and not movement. W plus the accusative case would show movement though to be honest in Polish the language uses more do plus the genitive case. Russian uses w plus the accusative case all the time. Ja jestem w Londynie but ja jadę do Londynu. Popatrz na siebie w lusterko-look at yourself in the mirror is an example of w plus the accusative case.

That makes sense because I rarely ever see it using accusative but in this context it was 'Chcę w życie wejść' which is denoting movement

thanks=)
Michal - | 1,865  
12 Dec 2007 /  #18
If you ever study Russian it seems easier to explain as they use w in the accusative and in the locative meaning the same word but either direction is implied or location.

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