UK, Ireland / Stop the Polish from entering the UK (yet another thread) [192]

I don't whine - I state my case calmly and sensibly. [/quote]

Osiol

[I agree, I've read some of your posts with much interest and you make a good case.
I get the feeling though that non poles are only to be tolerated if they agree with the majority on this forum-thats hardly educational.Reading some sensibly stated oppinions which differ to my own helps me examine and sometimes refine my position.There are some on this thread who dont like the english or anyone else and they dont have the same capacity to examine or redifine their oppinions.

Comments like
Screw British,I hope a Pole takes a job away from you
will make the likelyhood of inteligent debate even less.Many people will take offence when they see that written and will respond with much worse.If they would be kind enough to make an intelligent and considered comment instead I would read it with great interest.I 'lose it' sometimes aswell but these people seem to be permanently in that frame of mind.(THAT MUST BE VERY TIRING)

UK, Ireland / Stop the Polish from entering the UK (yet another thread) [192]

The commonwealth worked before and it can again.Britains empire was based on taking(literally) raw materials, minerals and foodstuffs from countries all over the world.Those products are as varied as the countries they come from.We have the money and people will still want to deal with us.If the e.u collapses then its members wont be any good to us anyway.

UK, Ireland / Stop the Polish from entering the UK (yet another thread) [192]

dollars low on purpose.Facing a world recesion with outdated working practices and un competitive businesses, America starts a pointless war and spends a fortune on bombs.Dollar gets lower and products start flowing out of the u.s ,not in.Very Very clever.Remember the steel tariff row?? by the time they got him to court , BUSH ALREADY HAD THE ANSWER-He's not as stupid as he looks that one!We also have the commonwealth which we may be able to dust off again,maybe they'll let us be friends again.

UK, Ireland / Stop the Polish from entering the UK (yet another thread) [192]


Unfortunately we do (temporarily)because we were too tight to train our own people to do it and now we have a crisis on our hands.

Do Poland still play football???????????????????????????????????????

UK, Ireland / Stop the Polish from entering the UK (yet another thread) [192]


agreed,Train british kids first and give them a chance.But let them know that there are no free rides any more and they wont get handouts.It was only 15 years ago that We were regarded as the hardest workers in Europe-that was the system then and it will work again now.Look after your own first is what my old dad always said!

UK, Ireland / Stop the Polish from entering the UK (yet another thread) [192]

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Europe will always invest in the U.k WE've got the money and its all in London.We're also best buddies with uncle Sam.If I have to be run by somebody, put dollars in my pocket not euros. We are not part of Europe,we are an island near Europe.We share much more in common with the yanks and that is where our best interests lie.I cant think of one country in Europe which has interests compatible with Ours.We were stupid to abandon our friends in the commonwealth for people with whom we have nothing in common.All the rest is immaterial-money talks

UK, Ireland / Stop the Polish from entering the UK (yet another thread) [192]

[[hr] quote=tornado2007] how do they enrich my life?? i don't get it. We could fill these jobs with British people who are taking benefits for no reason. [/quote]

Enrich your life because they bring with them fresh tallent and new ideas which makes working in those firms much more pleasant.It is inspiring to work with inspirational people and differences can be very interesting culturally.Specialists are rare by definition and we need to grab them and encourage them to stay with us.

There are also lay abouts in our own ranks which we have to deal with. Scrap all the benefits and only help those who are desparate.That's the answer,no politician has the balls though.Give it to the old people and hire decent doctors instead.Put mor coppers on the streets too.

If we value democracy then we must defend the right to invest ones earnings wherever one wishes.It is bad for our economy longterm that the money is not recirculated but we cannot do anything about it without violating our basic principles.The only way to sort it is to invest in training for people to do the jobs we need to fill.Why take a foreigner to drive a forklift if we can train one of ours to do it??These firms dont want these new workers for any other reason than saving money.Too tight to invest in their own!! Anyone who does not invest in his company will go bust.They forget that a company is a group of people-thats all.

UK, Ireland / Stop the Polish from entering the UK (yet another thread) [192]

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quote=tornado2007] once again, yes there is, the government can have a referendum and then the EU will be voted out so we leave it, therefore leaving us to deal with immigration however we like :) [/quote]

When we came in it was all a big con.My parents were told that the common maket ,as it was then , was merely a trade agreement.What makes you think there is any democracy involved??We wont get a fair chance at rejecting it,they have decided to impose it on us and that's that.All lies and it seems to be futile to try to stop these people.

The soviet Union with a single currency is being replicated with ... ah ha!!

UK, Ireland / Stop the Polish from entering the UK (yet another thread) [192]

I would dearly love the E.U adventure to fall on its arse.That is the only way we can get out.The swiss know it which is why they will not sign up. I am not against anyone who comes here with needed skills and adds to our community.My wife is Polish and she is a vital member of her company.She speaks English perfectly and is very qualified.There are many others like her and they are paid what they are worth.You should have no issue with these people as they help enrich your life.Cheap bus/truck drivers,shoddy builders and cut price warehousing operatives do nobody any benefit in the long term and decrease the income for British people in the same jobs.These are often the people who are the most vulnerable to such change. If we want a quality country we should raise the standard not lower it.We should avoid reducing ourselves to spouting racist nationalist nonsense,it will only do our case harm.Leave the nationalism to young greg.

UK, Ireland / Stop the Polish from entering the UK (yet another thread) [192]

If we wanted to kick out all the freeloaders in this country we would have to leave the E.U. We cant so lets just get on with it shall we?? I dont like the fact that we've been sold out by our own country or that our hospitaity is being abused by more than one group of visitors. Again we cant do anything about it so lets just get on with what we have left.They'll leave when there's nothing more to take.Some of the nationalist views here are a bit too strong and dont reflect on your intelligence well. I'm English aswell and I know that not many people I know have views as strong as those i've seen hereGrzegorz seems to be some kind of Polish master race brit hater with no good word for anyone.Thinks he's clever maybe,I just thinks his posts are unneccessarily common.

As for urinating on people,how clever! I wouldn't urinate on you if you were on fire in the street.

UK, Ireland / Anti-Polish sentiment of England [253]

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quote=randompal] Randompal would like to see all the cheesy stag party holiday Brits who come to Poland for a cheap beer go home, because they are not wanted. [/quote]

We Brits agree,we dont want them either and we hope they stay there.Maybe we need to wait until our two countries have saved enough scum and then do a big international rubbish exchange thing-good for the press

UK, Ireland / English people attitude towards Poles? [761]

[quote=tornado2007] Quoting: Paulie2

No offence but the only people that I know of that have married Polish girls have not been that popular with local girls for one reason or another. Some Polish women are very attractive but as they say beauty is only skin deep. [/uote]

Utter rubbish! I dont think anyone goes out to purposely marry a person of a certain nationality-If they do it is doomed to failure from the word go.You get on with someone,that turns into more and then you decide to stay with them because it works.They are not always even the type of people you might have expected to be with either.Am I to assume that if one marries a person of their own nationality they are somehow superior?It doesnt work like that and those who think it does dont know a lot about it.I suggest that their only relationship experience is possibly with themselves-do they roll over and ignore themselves after....?

News / Poland biggest problem [125]

There are lots of big problems,but it bassically comes down to the fact that far too many people are only out for themselves and dont care a damn about anything that is not directly theirs or a potential asset for them. It shows in every part of life and many polish people have pointed it out to me. Its always somebody elses fault and noone seems to have the will to make a change. Same idiots get ellected every time, but it is they that the people blame for all their woes!! A very mixed up situation.

UK, Ireland / English people attitude towards Poles? [761]

davie,My wife is Polish and I dont agree with your assertion that it doesnt work.As fiercely independant as she is,Gosia never forgets that her family comes first.Spending money is a tallent all women have and is not restricted to nationalities.The only difficulty is that its very difficult to break the apron strings(ties with the birth family) and this can get cumbersome at times-they(polish girls) are very loyal to their families and find difficulty adjusting those loyalties.That said we,ve been with each other since '94 and we're still hanging in there just fine.I drove a truck on T.I.R work for 10 years and got home sometimes 15-18 days a year and neither one of us has ever strayed.That would break the resolve of most women-but not mine.There are a lot of gold diggers out there too,but good girls despise them as much as we do.If you or your mate had a bad experience its a shame,but you mustn't make a conclusion based on 4 cases.

UK, Ireland / Gullible pretty polish girls with immigrants in Ireland [60]

i expect the single mums will be staying here,Its a good business being a single mum.They wont get it so good at home and there may not be as much understanding for the childs ethnicity either.They must be doing something right though,these girls seem to like them. They're big girls and they know what they want.I hope they dont forget about contraceptionand they have nice lives

Come to milton keynes,its not unusual for polish girls to have Black boyfriends here. The polish guys tend to get a bit irate about it though and I've heard some terrible things said about girls in black-white relationships.

Life / Cheap way to call Poland [6]

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UK, Ireland / Gullible pretty polish girls with immigrants in Ireland [60]

Hi misiek. As a father I dont consider my children to be of any less worth than yours. In reverse , your children would not be worth less than mine if you had a black partner.Your post seems to suggest that white women that go with black guys dont respect themselves.Why? is there something wrong with black people? Is it fair to regard them as inferior and if yes...why? I know some very decent black and indian people.If one of my boys has a black girlfriend one day, I'll be only concerned that she is a nice girl,race wont be an issue.

News / English vs. Polish hostility [323]

check the post, it said polish not english

johan, i dont know what you mean, when did i change my mind and what about??

johan look at the post again'you got itr wrong. take the last 2 words off for a start

News / English vs. Polish hostility [323]

Grzegorz,I know some very highly educated people in a wide variety of jobs. Wagon drivers that speak several languages and did very well at school are not uncommon amongst the English drivers. I did very well at school and my parents brought me up with manners, The fact I chose the job I wanted to do is my choice. I've seen more of Europe than most, worked with some superb people and learned a lot about myself and those around me. Dont judge me by my job grzegorz, some of the most useless people I worked with sat in the offices, criticised those they thought were below them yet still expected me those same people to rescue them when their lack of knowledge started to show.So much for universities, ties and suits.

puzzler.I havent and I wont because you do not deserve one and your not worth the bother anyway.As for all the other stuff, Its just shows the level that you're at.

News / English vs. Polish hostility [323]

I do seem to have touched a nerve dont I? Never mind we cant all be flavour of the month. I hope that some of the protestors might actually think about what i actually mean and not just fit it to what they want to say

News / English vs. Polish hostility [323]

Hmmmm nobody likes making mistakes but we cant learn from them unless we own up. I mucked it up and did the right thing-thats just normal.

News / English vs. Polish hostility [323]

yes szarlotka, I apologise 150% for my error . User ranj pulled me up on it and I thank him for doing so. I am a new user and I'm not the most computer orientated person either. I will in future try to work out to which post the reply refers. I apologise once more and I will be looking with interest at the posts you have referred me to.

News / English vs. Polish hostility [323]

sofi I can only speak for myself and those who have expressed their views around me. Keeping an eye on the news and seeing what those around me gives me the right to comment on the issues concened. There are very many sources of information on the web and in the press that support my view. As for taking exception to.. They can do it for themselves. Its true, they can. No opinion stated in the press will ever be adopted by the reader if it does not concurr with his or her experience (or the experience of a colleague.)If those opinions are not founded then they will be naturally dismissed as sensationalism or spiteful.If they are regarded as spiteful the british public will be prone to defend those concened and thus advance their cause.If you are adamant that all the problems I quote do not exist then time will prove you right- I'm happy to wait.I know I seem like a monster to you but I assure you I'm not and would ask you to think carefully about my words.We all depart from our characters at times, I can aswell but i am not satisfied when I do it.There is a problem at the moment and it's not sensible to watch it get bigger.We need good people to come and stay in this country and bring their skills with them. They need to be a part of our society not part of a subculture. They cannot be allowed to experience either positive or negative discrimination and they must be prepared to abide by the rules that the rest of us do. This is not currently the case and many people are getting frustrated by the innaction of the authorities.

Bad behaviour causes resentment ,The british people are intelligent enough to make up their own minds and many have decided that they are unhappy with whats happening. They have as much right as us to express their views and talk of their experiences.I lived in Poland for many years and I can tell you about it 'worts and all' if you know that expression up there.Best regards Nigel. P.S. I think Scotlands a fantastic place.

You're absolutely right ranj and I thank you for letting me know about my error , I do apologise szarlotka. I am very new to this and mistakes happen. I believed that his post was a reply to mine

News / English vs. Polish hostility [323]

szarlotka.Bizarre is the only word that comes to mind at the moment. If you insist that there is a problem here and you look hard enough, you will find something you may not like. Most people haven't got time for conflicts like that and just want a peaceful life.If you or anyone else cannot integrate, it displays a personal defficiency, not one in the country concerned. Maybe you dont want to integrate, maybe you dont like brits-blacks or Indians,maybe you dont like anyone??If you dont , my point is more than proven and you should consider isolating yourself from normal people so as not to depress them. I worked in 18 different countries and found no problems in association with the natives of any of them.Sure I was slagged by a few poles for 'stealing' one of 'their' women and for what winston chuchill did or didnt do long before i was born. Other than low lifes like that all was fine and dandy.As I said though, I will only have a debate with someone who is intellectually capable of presenting a reasonable and informed view without the use of direct insults.Have a nice life mate, it'll be easier if you mix in with your neighbours .

News / English vs. Polish hostility [323]

No need for a battle. I've got no issue to address. I dont believe that there is inherent hostility here against the poles or anyone else. There are always people that make an arse of themselves and everyone of that social group becomes associated with them. Sometimes a lot of them arrive at once.The thing to do then is to distance ones self from them and attack their actions. The British are renowned for lager-lout behaviour in Spain and now in Eastern europe.These are just ******** I will not defend them. The fact that they were born in the same country as me is immaterial, scum is scum and it should be cleared out of the way.

Restricting your social circle to that of your own nationality will always cause you to be associated with some unsavoury individuals. Forget the ghetto, integrate and be yourself(the individual). Then and only then you will advance as a person and benefit from being in another country.You will aso gain the respect of those living near you, but not because you are a pole...... because you are a nice person that they like.

Britain is the most successful example of a multi cultural society in the world. We mainly get along fine but we dont appreciate people who just want to take.If you are not in that category.. welcome to Britain, If you are in it... go home now-we dont want you and nobody else does either.We have enough home grown ******** of our own to sort out already. I think that my view is fair and no reasonable person will have any issue with it.

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]

slick 77, there maybe hordes of them but i'm sure they're not coming here to be nasty. As for the other comments, I'd ask you to reconsider your viewpoint. My sons and are individuals and can only be judged on their individual characters. They were all born in poland but they do not regard this as a fact which guides their lives or behaviour.

It has been said by many poles that they would much prefer to work for an English boss than a Polish one-They feel they will be treated more fairly and with more integrity.

News / English vs. Polish hostility [323]

hi sofi, i remember everything i say and i never say anything i dont mean or haven't considered.Its a good host-good guest thing. We are being good hosts but your lot are not abiding by the rules.Untaxed uninsured cars, unregistered cars,numerous cases of drink driving and unpaid speeding tickets,abuse of the benefit system and many more. I am certainly not against poles or anyone else on account of their origin.I have very many good polish friends who all concurr that there is large portion of their population who do not behave to an acceptable standard. There are very many people many from Poland(in this case)who do do things the fair and dignified way .They also do their best to integrate with those around them and dont disrepect their host who has helped them.Anyone who defends the bad behaviour of their countrymen(includes all countries before you call me a nationalist) or has even the slightest admiration for it is indeed at the same low social level as they are.There are many Polish people in my town for whom I have arranged schooling for their children, helped to arrange accommodation, set up gas.electric.water.telephone.bankand council tax accounts, Helped instigate court action to recover unpaid housing deposit returns and the odd bit of translation of documentation and contracts which they wont sign unless they understand.I have done this willingly and not received a penny in return. I do the decent thing for decent people and only require that they do not thank me by disrespecting the help they were given.

I am a very amiable and honest person so I dont see that I have to defend myself.As for my wife and our relationship,its not your business,but she is a very good, honest and caring person who is also very independent and intelligent and does not simply 'follow the herd'. I speak my mind even when its a contentious issue, if anyone disagrees I am more than happy to explain my viewpoint-as long as they are civil and intellectually capable of maintaining a debate without vulgarity. Beware-I fight fire with fire

News / English vs. Polish hostility [323]

It wont matter what the papers write. If I know the polish mentality, and I certainly do, the vast majority of them will vindicate their views with their bad behaviour. Your lot dont need any help to look bad,you can do it very well for yourselves.My wife is polish-she agrees with me totally and is very embarassed by some of the things she is witnessing here.

Hi sofi , the sophistication and intelligence of your reply says much about your character. Now, engage me on a more intellectual level or be a good girl and run along to bed, you'll need to be up early to milk the cows. Kiss Kiss Dobranoc

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]

Hi Ola, You're starting to experience what english youngsters have lived with for years. Life is hard and you've got to do your best. Stop being so selfish, if you could afford to do it the other way round you would. The problem faced by the british people is much worse than that. Our jobs are disapearing and our salaries are not going up because we've allowed people like you to have a chance in the world.Maybe the polish could learn by our example and maybe be a little more welcoming.My experience is that Poles have the most to fear from other Poles-distasteful but very true.English people generally conduct their business and investments with a much higher level of integrity so you have nothing to fear from us.I hope you have a good life and you get the home you want, but it wont come for free and you wont get it 'by rights'

! Up with responsible capitalism-Down with socialist peasantry !

Life / Are Polish people inherently jealous or their neighbours? [10]

The women are mostly o.k. the men are mostly big headed knobbers who think they're better than everyone else-can't back it up with action though can you boys!