Study / The basic requirements for a non-EU foreigner to go to a university in PL [23]

uw.edu.pl/en/page.php/admiss/bwz_info.html
(University of Warsaw)

uj.edu.pl/dispatch.jsp?item=studia/obcokrajowcy.jsp&lang=en
(Jagiellonian University in Cracow)

guide.amu.edu.pl/amu/index.htm
(Adam Mickiewicz University, Poznań)

umk.pl/en
(Nicolaus Copernicus University, Toruń)

- I think you get the idea now? ;-)

UK, Ireland / Polish people in UK travelling on holiday. [20]


And have you got ID cards issued to you by your government? The answer is NO, and neither would you want them. The Polish have both ID cards and passports, and under EU regulations can travel abroad (within the EU) on both/either. An ID card has all the personal info a passport would have, a photo, all the fittings. Have a look at one in your free time, and you might reconsider the British government's ID card scheme after all. Who knows?

Have a nicer day than yesterday.

Life / How to obtain EHIC (European Health Insurance Card,) in Poland? [41]

With this Polish card she can probably now apply for the EHIC, as far as I remember she can do this using the website I linked to earlier. :-)

nfz.gov.pl/ue/index.php?katnr=5&dzialnr=6&artnr=1819

(There is a list of forms she can download, fill in and apply with - one of them is for the EKUZ/EHIC).

Life / Looking for lyrics to "Hoo-pai Shoo-pai"... Hupaj siupaj - polka [13]

is it possibly "Pije Kuba do Jakuba"?

Work / How to get Polish Electrician's license? [3]

sep.com.pl/index_en.html

I guess if you got in touch with them, they would be able to point you in the right direction :-)

Life / How to obtain EHIC (European Health Insurance Card,) in Poland? [41]

nfz.gov.pl/ue/index.php?katnr=5&dzialnr=0&artnr=0

I think if your girlfriend goes through this, it might answer some questions. If she currently resides in Italy though, I would think she should turn for health care to the Italian government (she has not been paying national insurance contributions in Poland, I understand?)

Good luck!

Life / Local Poles taking advantage of foreigners living in Poland [235]


...a rude gesture? What sort of rude gesture? I have never seen one in that particular context, so I'm curious.
And lots of people don't thank others for common courtesy, because it's taken for granted. Maybe not a very nice attitude, but the logic is "I would hold the door open for you, so what's the big deal?" And then of course there are the rude people... ;-)

Life / Local Poles taking advantage of foreigners living in Poland [235]


How about having the same attitude towards the commuters in Warsaw?

Life / Local Poles taking advantage of foreigners living in Poland [235]


Have you tried London Stansted at three in the morning? ;-)

Life / Local Poles taking advantage of foreigners living in Poland [235]


Well, now substitute Poland for UK and Warsaw for London and we might be talking. Even so, I used to hate Warsaw with a passionate hate, and actually moved out to Ełk as soon as I graduated, but after two years in London I could live in Warsaw and be blissfully happy... ;-)

Work / The qualifications for teachers in Poland? [101]


If things haven't changed, then yes, very much so.

Life / Local Poles taking advantage of foreigners living in Poland [235]


Of course that's rude, but I am sorry to say I encounter queue jumping and not holding a door for the next person, as often, if not oftener, in London. And Poles in London notice it and label it rude. For example, in London people who hold the door open for people leaving a shop will never get to walk in unless they actually barge in. Been there, done that. In the smaller buses with just one door for entry and exit, passengers tend to rush in without letting anyone off. Bus queues are non-existent, they're just a heaving mass of humanity trying to squeeze inside while the sick and elderly fall by the roadside. (I make a point of always letting old people and women with children enter first - but sometimes they are so surprised that a young, strapping lad uses the opportunity before them).

That's why I think it's the "foreignness" (if there is such a word) factor at work here. People are much more likely to notice such behaviour, and be offended by it, if it comes from the Others (the Barbarians, Foreigners, call them what you like).

Also, you might want to consider the fact that as Western Europeans coming to a country most of you perceive as unimportant and rather poor, you might unknowingly exude a somewhat patronizing air, which would immediately raise shackles. To be totally fair, I have seen that happen to Poles visiting India - they assumed the White Master attitude and then were surprised by how hostile the "natives" were. I think most of them didn't realize what they were doing wrong, either.

Life / Local Poles taking advantage of foreigners living in Poland [235]


I must honestly say that every single Polish "expat" or guest worker or whatever you wish to call them "says the same thing so it is not just my perception" (about perceived "British rudeness").

May I present the theory that it is not so much a question of levels of rudeness, but rather different areas in which the respective "national" rudeness(es) show themselves? And because these areas obviously don't overlap, they tend to shock and anger the outsider, no matter how long they may have lived in the other country.

Believe me, my mother was Czech, my father is Polish, and though they were married for over 20 years, things would come up every day leading to heated discussions at least - and these were little, tiny, negligible things to start with, just different in the Czech and Polish cultures/societies. Even issues like choosing or not choosing a specific term, name, gesture! They would get miffed and sulk for hours! Now remember how close these two cultures obviously are, at least to the non-Slav. ;-)

In the context of this, think of the differences between Poland and Britain, Greece and France, Britain and Finland...

Life / Local Poles taking advantage of foreigners living in Poland [235]

Well, it seems there are two Polands and I used to live in a different one than you visited, or what? I'm not saying all Polish people are well-behaved and pleasant at all times, but I regard things like holding doors open for people or waiting my turn at a bus door as absolutely normal. With giving the exact change at shops, it's just one of those things - I usually don't have the exact change, or can't bother to find it, so I tell the salesperson that and they come up with the correct amount after all. :-)

As for London... It's one of my hobbies to "embarass" the natives by giving up my seat to elderly ladies and gentlemen, holding doors open etc. They look at me with utter disbelief, and - yes - gratitude. Whereas if my boyfriend does similar stuff, the little old ladies look frightened, and the women he holds doors open for look slightly offended ("I can open my own doors thank you"), but still accept the courtesy ;-)

All in all, they don't seem used to such treatment, quite the opposite.
Don't get me started on getting on and off London buses, either. The typical London way is to stay in the first half of the bus, no matter how many people actually want to get in. So there might be empty seats farther down, or at least more space, and the upstairs part might be half empty, but the front part of the bus is totally crammed and the driver needs to shout "move on down, move on!" for at least 2-3 minutes before anyone starts moving, and even when they do move, it's with the speed of a snail sprinting. ;-)

Customer service? I've had customer service staff at an O2 shop in London listen to me for several minutes (I want to keep my old number but change over to 3G because my new mobile is 3G), first give me a vacant stare, then nod their head, and then - yesss!!! - take my mobile and... copy my contacts list from simcard to phone. And hand it back with a flourish. Believe me, I speak English well enough to make myself understood, they simply didn't give a damn about what I was trying to tell them. And I've got loads of such stories.

In other words - do your thing, be courteous at all times, or most times, and the nice people will reciprocate. The not so nice - you don't want to have anything to do with them anyway, do you?

Life / Local Poles taking advantage of foreigners living in Poland [235]


I passed my driving test no problem. In Poland. And I bribed nobody. 'nuff said.

Life / Local Poles taking advantage of foreigners living in Poland [235]

I have lived in Poland all my life and still have to experience any significant pushing, shoving, rudeness and slowness which has not been matched abroad. ;-)

Love / meaning of receiving empty text [21]


many mobile companies offer literally hundreds of free texts as part of their pay monthly packages - so there may be people out there who think nothing about sending out an empty text or two instead of buzzing ;-)

UK, Ireland / What's So Great About The UK? [416]


If every immigrant paid twenty pounds every time they saw a doctor, the money would soon start adding up. Apart from that, we do pay NICs and taxes at the same rates you do.

I know what I say now will be considered racist and politically incorrect, but still: think of the mass of asylum seekers and illegal immigrants in the UK who never pay taxes or National Insurance, and very often don't work at all, but nevertheless receive free housing, medical care, education etc. etc. Yet the public opinion concerns itself entirely with those terrible, troublesome Poles - why is that? There is a lot I don't like about Poles in the UK, but hey, most of them at least obey the rules and work hard. And believe me - in case of serious illness most Poles go home and get treatment in Poland because they have already realized that the NHS wouldn't be of much help.


Sure, no problem with that - to a certain point. I just checked the price of the IoL DipTrans examination - I thought I remembered it cost somewhere in the area of 200 pounds. I was wrong though. The exam consists of several parts and the overall cost can exceed 500 pounds (i.e., my typical monthly income). So what criterion is really being used here - language skills or level of overall affluence? Why is the fee so exorbitant? Additionally, there is only one examination date per year. The IoL seems intent on making it as difficult as possible to even get a chance at trying! Snobbery and unpleasantness all around.


When I first arrived, I thought I would enter a free market in which the English-innocent Poles would seek out people like me to translate and interpret for them. They would pay me out of their own pocket, and I would then pay Her Majesty any taxes and contributions due. Thus, my clients' salaries would have effectively been taxed twice, a nice thing for any economy, I would think, and I would still have plenty of clients and money for myself.

Sounds nice?
Well, the truth is totally different. The market is as heavily regulated as they come, in public service interpreting I need to work through local councils who pay me as little as possible while most of the money stays with the local authority. I don't know how it works out accounting-wise, but e.g. a surgery pays the council for my service, the council pays me a certain amount of that, and the rest of the money goes into keeping the council interpreting service going, I guess. I earn very little, the end user (the Pole) pays nothing, the intermediary (surgery or school) pays 100%. I don't think the economy likes that terribly, and I am not happy with the solution either. The only totally satisfied person is the end user, who gets a specialized service for free. No comments.

Life / Racist violence in Poland [172]


Just wondering if it might be something else than racism after all. If word had gotten out that this Chinese guy was a tough fighter and nobody messed with him twice, it is more than probable that a certain type of Polish guy could not pass him by for obviously machismo reasons ;-)

My boyfriend, who is Polish and as fair-haired and blue-eyed and white-skinned as they come, grew up in Toruń and had to fight strangers almost every day of his adolescence and young adulthood. The reason? He is very tall and very strong, so almost every other guy his age in the neighbourhood wanted to check him out, see if he was as tough as he looked. Once word got around that he fought back, and was a formidable opponent, other guys got interested in the fun as well. I see a very strong parallel to your story here.

If there is a newcomer in town who looks dangerous, guys are just gonna get curious. I am not at all sure that his skin colour has got a lot to do with it, except make him more easily identifiable (as the "yellow guy").

UK, Ireland / What's So Great About The UK? [416]


If I am the "she" you mean, I would have nothing against paying a fixed fee per visit - 20 pounds, say. When I first arrived, and I bet many other Poles had the same assumption, I was absolutely prepared to have to pay for any health care given to me. The thing is, I cannot change the system - your government would have to do that. Even if every immigrant insisted upon paying for NHS care, there is no system in place which would enable such payment to take place, even from a basic accounting point of view. Who should take the money? The GP, the Primary Care Trust, the Council?


It will be the ones with the British qualification who will get the best work. This does not mean that they have *more* or *better* qualifications. But let's not speak of me.

While interpreting, I met an English health visitor, and we got to chatting of this and that. She told me that she had spent most of her working life abroad (in Australia), where she worked in health care and gained lots of experience. When she returned to the UK, all her professional experience was declared unimportant and it was back to square one for her. This is why I said that the British are not interested in experience and expertise gained abroad. And this is why I spoke of a class system firmly in place.


A translator is more like a football player than a lawyer. Either he/she delivers or not. If a footballer is good in Spain, he is equally good at his job when moved to Monaco. If I am capable of interpreting financial negotiations with American partners in Poland, I am then equally capable of interpreting financial negotiations with Polish partners in the US. If I am a lousy interpreter though, no exam however costly and no certificate will be able to help when the time comes to show what I'm made of.


What is wrong with that?

UK, Ireland / What's So Great About The UK? [416]


:-)

Though botox injections would work pretty well too, come to think of it! Some celebrities seem to have mistaken their forehead for their upper lip, it seems... ;-)

UK, Ireland / What's So Great About The UK? [416]


Yeah, how well I know that, it's just part of the "what used to come to your mind when you thought of England" stuff ;-)

I guess I read a few too many books by Graham Greene in my time...


I definitely will, I'm stubborn as hell! :-)


That is true, but not for translation/interpreting. At least if you want to do anything better-paid and more serious than translating business letters and doing community interpreting, not that there's anything wrong with that, but it is a bit like allowing a professional stage dancer to only teach dance in nursery school or something such like.

You wouldn't imagine how many CVs and applications I have sent out, how many leaflets distributed, how many online ads placed for my business.

Well, one British thing I'm really into is the stiff upper lip, so I am officially stiffening mine now ;-)

UK, Ireland / What's So Great About The UK? [416]


That's not what I said. I have "papers", "credentials" - but from Poland. I have qualifications and titles, and 10 years of experience, and I do not want a "highly paid job" - I want a chance to prove that I am good at what I do. That is all. That almighty exam would set me back 1/3 of my monthly income. I am already in debt and absolutely cannot go any further down that road. I used to think that experience, a university degree, a professional attitude, several translated books to my name etc. would account for something. And I haven't given up - I am working as self-employed translator/interpreter, accumulating British experience etc. It really feels as comfortable and efficient as swimming in jelly though ;-(

It would be much easier to just give up and become a cleaner instead. That's where I see the class system at work - if you're not rich enough to buy yourself the only approved credentials and titles, stay away from the better jobs - they're not for the likes of you! Maybe I'm just bitter, because I get praised all the time by my clients (the end users) but this never gets to anybody at the agencies I work for, and I'm not getting any younger.

UK, Ireland / What's So Great About The UK? [416]


I was partly lured by stuff like that... and Alice in Wonderland, and Dickens, and Stonehenge, and a vision of high tea and gentlemen with brollies... and three men in a boat, not counting the dog... ;-)

And pubs, and moors, and Lands' End (what an evocative name!) - and stuff.
Unfortunately, I have not (yet) found terribly much of that. I live in London and earn peanuts, because one thing I HAVE found is a very strong class system and a distrust of strangers (and their foreign qualifications). I fight to make ends meet even though I am a very competent translator / interpreter - the problem is that I cannot afford to pay several hundred pounds for an Institute of Linguists or Institute of Translators and Interpreters exam and get their "title", and without it I cannot get better jobs, so I earn little money, and so on... 10 years of professional experience in Poland and a rather nice CV mean nothing here, and I have had to start from scratch. No bitterness of course, I am a humble person and all that, but still - the social system in Britain is very inflexible. If I had the money to start with, I could earn more money, but I entered the system as an outsider and simply cannot jump any higher. I cannot afford it! This is something that I had NOT anticipated. :-(

I would actually love to go back to Poland, as my primary goal (of improving my English) has been, I think, already reached, but I would hate to go back as empty-handed as I had left. And I had left empty-handed because of personal stuff which meant leaving my home and my thriving translation business behind. I thought I would make it in a year or two and come back victorious. It's more a question of staying afloat now. Well, rant over. ;-(

Life / Postnatal care in Poland [7]

As said, this was quite some time ago, so maybe things have changed since then (1991, 1995). A midwife used to come around about a week after delivery and check things up, and then maybe pop around again if there were any worries or refer you to the clinic. I had one child in Warsaw and one in Ełk, a small town (60 000 people). So I don't know.

Life / Postnatal care in Poland [7]

Yes, a midwife visits the mother after delivery, can't recall how many times though - but please bear in mind that a new mother would stay in hospital for 3 to 5 days after the birth anyway. All necessary blood tests plus BCG injection are done during this hospital stay, and the babies are monitored for early signs of congenital disorders etc.

Afterwards, the baby is routinely called for checkups for immunizations, weighing etc. Mothers are strongly encouraged to breastfeed. This used to be done by doctors at so-called childrens' clinics, but under the new system I think it's the lekarz rodzinny (equivalent of GP) who would do that. I had my babies before the reforms so I don't rightly know. ;-) Hope that helped you a bit! :-)

Life / Queuing and Polish people [49]

Have you ever boarded a London bus in rush hour? ;-)

News / Polish "brainbox" comes back to Poland from the UK for a better education [77]


Why should it be seen as "in between"? Polish kids pass a set of pretty difficult exams at leaving gimnazjum (lower secondary school), so that would be the GCSE equivalent. Right?

And then, at 19, they pass the matura, which entitles them to apply for University places. So that would be the A-levels equivalent. Or am I mistaken?

If I'm wrong, what other exam(s) should Polish students pass to reach the A-levels level then?

UK, Ireland / Do all Polish newcomers to the UK speak some English? [14]

In secondary schools (most of them) - for as long as I can remember. And I'm 39. Some schools in smaller towns would not have access to English teachers, but they would still offer at least one other European language apart from Russian. Since the early nineties English became omnipresent, with schools snapping up even people with FCE as English teachers - I kid you not!

Sure, the farther away from large cities, the less qualifications teachers would tend to have. But it still beggars belief that young people would not have even learnt enough to say a few simple phrases.

English is now introduced in primary schools since 2 or 3 grade, I don't remember exactly.
So I would say it's predominantly a question of students not caring about studying English as opposed to the chance to learn not being there.

Life / WHY POLISH PEOPLE DON'T USE THEIR NATIVE FIRST NAME WHEN ABROAD? [136]

How about this - my name, as you know, is Magdalena. There is not a single fricative or affricate in sight (I mean those terrifying consonant clusters like "rz"). ;-)

In fact, my name is Hebrew and comes from the Bible, so it's recognized all over Europe.
Or is it?
I have had British people ask me repeatedly what my name was when I introduced myself:
they couldn't get it right - they would change it to Macdolena, Magalena, Madgalina, and other monstrosities! ;-(
I still introduce myself as Magdalena but am always prepared to spell it.
In the light of the above, I understand people with names like Katarzyna, Przemysław, Janusz or Marian (which is a man's name in Poland, but a woman's for English speakers), who decide to "change" their name for the sake of convenience.