Love / Poland reverse of fortune in dating [124]


Well, I know the Polish culture better and I speak the language so I'm more comfortable in Poland. Things are more unpredictable in Ukraine. I think if you lived in the country, you'd probably be able to find a very attractive girlfriend...or two..more easily. But if you're there for a week and you're looking to get laid, I'd say you need to be lucky. Girls over there seem more concerned money and comfort than sex. If you have a place in the centre of town, a pretty girl might come back with you for your location, or for some other thing you have to offer, but it doesn't necessarily mean she'll go all the way. So in answer to your question, I think not, if you have one week to spend in each country.

But then again, I've only been to Lviv, Kiev (3 nights) and Chernivtsvi (1 night). I don't know the place well enough.


I think we have established that it's not only about looks but other factors too like style in general, personality (lack of confidence, etc.), apparent brain power, social status etc.

Love / Poland reverse of fortune in dating [124]


I've been there about six or seven times I guess over the last 2-3 years. I know the place quite well and the clubs (well, there aren't that many of them). I can say that Ukrainians are in some ways more clueless than Polish girls, but in other ways they are smart: money seems to rule, and many girls are good at using their looks to get what they want from foreigners - drinks, a place to stay in the centre of town, etc. Basically they behave in the dodgy ways that a lot of Polish girls would 8 years ago. However, I'm sure that's not the case with all Ukrainians. I've also met girls who claim to be ashamed of this kind of behaviour and assured me that it doesn't represent all Ukrainian girls.


Of course that is true, but they were actually taking these clowns seriously! Even Polish girls would have laughed them out of the club.

Love / Poland reverse of fortune in dating [124]


They pay attention, but they don't give it too much importance. Unless you mean that they pay attention to bad looks ;) I've seen really good-looking guys walk into a bar in Krakow (which is quite rare) and not a single head would turn. In England, the girls would be like "Whoaa, he's fitttt!" As I wrote above, this in principle is a good thing for men in general - but if a guy is also a loser, obviously lying about his background, etc. (e.g. those African guys in Krakow who pretend to be from Jamaica or UK) then it makes your stomach churn a bit.


Oh man, I don't know where you were in Ukraine....but in one particular disco in Lviv, I remember seeing some rather shocking mismatches. Pretty local girls with really cheesy, overly-horny guys, I'd say probably from Turkey, whose style appeared to date back to the Michael Jackson Thriller era. I don't know if they were dating, but the fact that the girls were giving them the time of day was bad enough. Worse than in Poland for sure.

Love / Poland reverse of fortune in dating [124]


The first two lines of that post seemed like an attempt at making a constructive contribution, the rest just nonsense assumptions. For your information, I can pick up a lot more girls than I get because I'm not looking to get laid with as many village girls as possible, despite what impression you might get. I've been through that and I know that game well - I had more than some, not as many as others, but enough to teach me what type of girl I should be going for and, more importantly, what type of girl I shouldn't. I don't believe in rehearsing lines/routines etc., I'd rather be myself...I was just giving examples before of what type of stuff works.

I do, however, think that the dating scene in Poland works in very weird ways and makes interesting discussion. You say there are mis-matches all over the world, but in previous posts you have gone on and on about how any loser from England can hook up with a Polish girl in the UK. You are contradicting yourself.

Again, it comes back to the same question....why do we focus on the mis-match thing in Poland (and the Slavic region in general, I guess)? Why don't you hear of this elsewhere. Many Italians in Italy are very bitter about their women, and a lot of them end up in Poland. Their main gripe is that good-looking Italian women are only interested in money or fame. An exagerration perhaps. But you don't hear of them complaining about their women's (lack of) taste in men, though. But why the mis-match thing in Poland? Could it be because there might be some truth to it?

And I don't think it's always such a bad thing: Luke's stories about the disabled guys - well, I also feel happy for those guys. In those cases, it's great there are places like Poland. However, as southern says, there are also loads of guys who are totally undeserving of the attention.

Love / Poland reverse of fortune in dating [124]

Actually, I've seen more handsome Polish guys who seem to have stuff going for them with unattractive girls and more unappealing Polish guys with very attractive girls.

This is one thing I don't quite get about the culture. If I was a Polish guy, seeing all these attractive girls around me who give little importance to a guy's looks and other obvious outward signs of coolness, I would not want to end up with an average or below average girl, knowing that theoretically I have the same chance as everyone else. Yet it's strange, everyone gets to hook up with everyone and I rarely observe any signs of envy or dissatisfaction among the guys with the less attractive girls. There is a certain harmony in the Polish dating society.

Love / Poland reverse of fortune in dating [124]


Why are they retarded? You have been saying nothing, only dishing out insults. If you think the topic is dumb, don't contribute. If you disagree with the opinions, then explain. Who are these MOST Polish women? How much time have you spent in Poland? Sounds like you are making this up to me.

Love / Poland reverse of fortune in dating [124]


The point I was making was why have we made this particular observation (irrespective of whatever underlying feelings/motives you believe we have)? Why not, for example, 'pretty Polish girls only are interested in rich guys' or 'pretty Polish girls are only interested in very handsome guys' or 'pretty Polish girls only go for guys with long hair'...why? because those things are not true.

Love / Poland reverse of fortune in dating [124]


This is simply incorrect. There are actually plenty of foreign guys in Poland with similar opinions, admittedly guys of southern European descent tend to be the most vocal about this.

I expect girls on the forum probably think these opinions are fuelled by our bitterness and frustration. And while it true that guys who continuously voice negative opinions about women tend to be driven by bitterness on some level, that does not mean that there is no truth to those opinions.

Do you really think that we have separately come up with the same 'random' observations? Come on, man, if there is a pattern there must be something to it.

Love / Poland reverse of fortune in dating [124]

OK, I missed that. Anyway, I think it's pretty obvious. I haven't heard anyone really contradict this observation.

Love / Poland reverse of fortune in dating [124]


You are not saying anything with these comments. This is a discussion. The topic might not be of global importance, but it's still a discussion. So try to make a proper contribution instead of insulting everyone whose opinions you don't agree with.

Love / Poland reverse of fortune in dating [124]


You dumb down as others have said. Keep it simple, don't appear too intellectual, don't let them think your are successful in business etc. (even if you are). From my experience in Poland, the guys who are themselves simple have been the most successful.

I laugh when I see on the Internet companies setting up Polish branches of seduction schools whose methods were developed in the west. The best 'technique' is no technique.

Personally, though, when I'm 'in the field' I have to make jokes and tease the girl but that's rather to entertain myself, so that I don't get too bored. However, I sometimes get the impression that I could achieve the same result or even better by cutting out the personality.


That's very rare :) Though you might hear them say that in a self-pitying kind of way.

Love / Poland reverse of fortune in dating [124]


Yes, there must be some expanation. Obviously, certain types of guys by the way they look, dress, speak etc. are sending out certain signals which don't sit well with Polish girls. The same attributes send out totally different signals to other girls.

Personally, I think the 'easy girl' label may have something to do with it. Polish girls are so afraid of being labelled 'easy' and they tend to perceive a handsome, confident, well-to-do guy as someone who is picking up lots of women. Being with such a guy might make them think 'Eeeeek, everyone will think I'm easy' or 'If I go out with this guy it means I am easy'. So they are more comfortable dating a less appealing guy. Which, of course, is quite absurd, because that in fact makes them easy for certain types of guys who don't normally get much action elsewhere - which is a lot of guys.

Love / Poland reverse of fortune in dating [124]


Yes, that's very true. At times, I have trained myself not to notice the hot Polish girl-loser guy phenomenon for the sake of staying positive. At other times I may have tried to convince myself that perhaps there was more to it than meets the eye or that I'm being over judgemental. But now with so many guys agreeing on this, either there is some sort of conspiracy or there must be some truth to this.


Well done, you can actually something in a foreign language.....that makes two foreign languages including Essex girl dialect ;)

Love / Poland reverse of fortune in dating [124]


Yes, I've seen such strange things. The funny thing is that guys like that can end up with a much more attractive girl in Poland than their able-bodied handsome counterparts in other European countries. I do feel happy for those particular guys and I think it's great that Polish girls have given them a chance to experience the pleasures of life that they would otherwise miss out on.

Love / Poland reverse of fortune in dating [124]


You already know the guy is not a native speaker of English. I wonder if you can speak a foreign language as well? I didn't think so.

Love / Poland reverse of fortune in dating [124]


I don't agree with the first statement. Being loser gives you more chance than appearing as a loser. I think their intuition allows them to separate the men (read losers) from the boys (read fake losers).

Love / Techniques for meeting Polish girls [68]


I think it has to do with the fact that they feel more comfortable with a guy they can relate to. The girls we are talking about may be academically bright, but tend to be naive about things connected with culture, society, religion, etc. And I believe we are talking about party girls, since this is a thread about meeting girls in nightclubs. Perhaps, 'sophistication' is a more appropriate word than 'intelligence' here.

Love / Techniques for meeting Polish girls [68]


And don't ever get into discussions on 'serious' topics, such as religion, politics, etc or reveal any strong opinions you may have on anything...I've made that mistake many times...and it rarely got me anywhere. The more wise and intelligent you appear to be, the less chance you have with the girl.

Love / Techniques for meeting Polish girls [68]


Ha, ha, ha. Yes, I've seen that work, man. Here's a tip with the village-type girls: begin every sentence with "You like...?", "I like...", "I don't like..." and "I agree"/"I don't agree". Tried it once for a joke. You might be surprised by the positive reactions. Personally though, I'm rather bored with simple girls, and I'm bored with being boring.

Love / Polish woman and children [14]


Either she's young, naive and doesn't really know what she wants, or if she is a bit more mature it's an excuse. A mate of mine's Polish fiance broke it off with him because of parental pressure (in this case it was because his background was from the Middle East part of the world, even though he wasn't Muslim). In the end he persisted and they got back together, married, had a kid, etc. In that case, it really was a question of family pressure. It your case, it might not be, since she hasn't even told her family yet.

Love / Abuse in relationships (my first Polish girlfriend) [216]

Isn't the word 'abuse' a bit strong? I'd just call it bad attitude/personality. Abuse implies you act like a p*ssy and let the woman continue to get away with it instead of either pulling her in line or getting rid of her for good. Unless, of course, such behaviour turns you on ;)

Love / My Perfect Love Story so I thought [73]


This is where I stopped reading your post. What the hell is a devoted Christian? You mean she is someone who lies, cheats, deceives etc. then goes to confession to make it all allright,...at the same time naively believing in the 'virgin Mary' and the 'invisible man in the sky' (credit: LukeXX)...the only thing she fears is thinking for herself.

It's the 21st century for heaven sake! Get over this nonsense!

Love / Techniques for meeting Polish girls [68]


Prefer, yes. But it's not exclusive reason, as seems to be the case with Shelley's friend's sister.

Love / Techniques for meeting Polish girls [68]


Your friend's sister sounds like a gold-digging slut, her husband sounds like a fool. If all the stunning English girls are after money, then thank God there are places like Poland.

Love / Techniques for meeting Polish girls [68]


Funnily enough, I do know a friend of a girl who sh@gged Mr. V-Damme himself when he was staying at a hotel in Krakow several years ago. So, bad example I guess :)


I wish I didn't agree with you on this point....but I do.

Love / Techniques for meeting Polish girls [68]


Well, I wasn't talking about Jean Claude Van Dam. And that's just a group of Polish girls from the poorer districts - the sort-of equivalent of council estate girls in England. So let's leave them alone.

Anyway, wtf happened to this thread? I thought there was going to be some sharing of 'techniques'. Looks like the Spanish guy who started the thread is too busy trying to score to make a re-appearance. LOL

Love / Techniques for meeting Polish girls [68]


In Poland, they generally aren't very concerned with looks so anything is possible.
I don't know what their taste is like in the UK.


I understand what having a partner is about. You comment is irrelevant. My post was meant to put Shelley's comments on taste into perspective.

Love / Techniques for meeting Polish girls [68]


Believe me, I've seen more mis-matched couples involving a Polish girl than you have, and it disturbs me more than it does you, I'm sure. What you are saying does, on the contrary, imply that you think they are easy, if even a loser/unattractive guy can seduce them. Which is fine if that's what you think, but just come out and say it instead of contradicting yourself.

I'm not going to defend Polish girls in this area (that would also contradict my earlier posts), but I will say that English girls don't always have the greatest taste in men either. I've seen 'pretty' (by UK standards) English girls in England with some really boring English guys with zero sense of humour who would have a hard time scoring a decent girl here in Krakow. Overall, though, you tend to pinch above your weight yourselves.

Love / Techniques for meeting Polish girls [68]


Thanks for posting that. Though it's difficult to take seriously with Italy appearing higher than Poland, which is strange considering almost every Italian male in Poland complains about how tough it is to score in Italy and much better it is in Poland.

Love / Polish Girls Reputation [231]


I don't know the Polish scene outside Poland very well. I can only comment on the opinions of foreigners in Poland. But I can tell you it has changed over the past 8 years. A lot of tourists from UK and other places who have been coming here expecting some 'action' have been returning home disappointed.