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time means

If somebody is born in Belfast and decides to move to Cork that does not make them an immigrant. To say so is absurd.

Pawel from Krakow moving to Dublin. Immigrant.
Paddy from Belfast moving to Dublin. Irish man moving cities.

Capisce?

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time means

No, we use euro here. As well you know.

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irishdeano

In English? Irish?

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irishdeano

Irish shoppers going up North costs the Souths exchequer 70 million euro so far this year.

Eastern europeans will send 1.5 billion euros home again this year.

Which is a bigger problem?

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50,000(204 euro a week plus other assorted benefits) Poles on the dole here. 3,000 Polish families claiming rent allowance.

The Poles, as an ethnic group, are a burden on the Irish state.

It does not break down prisoners by nationality. Knife crime is rife among the Polish community, every couple of weeks Poles murder Poles after a house party at the weekend.

Poles are our biggest ethnic group on welfare, again it does not break down fraud by nationality. Lets just say that a lot of the Poles emigrating here are not your average decent Pole you may find in Poland.

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Wrong wrong wrong wrong! Now, take in to account that 38% of workers in Ireland pay no P.A.Y.E. tax. That includes a proportion of the Irish population but mostly foreigners, it must be acknowledged. Not only that, but when one factors in Children Allowance [not to mention Medical Card, Council House, Unemployment Benefit/Assistance etc. etc. ], an even greater proportion of the immigrant population are effective net beneficiaries of public largess. Which means middle-to-high income earners. Who pays?

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irishdeano

Does she earn more than 25,000 euro a year? If not shes pays no PAYE and a couple of euro in PRSI.

I repeat, 38% of the population pay no PAYE. Most of these would be foreigners working for low rates of pay.

I think you know, nowt.

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irishdeano

When are they going home? They are not needed anymore.

sbpost.ie/post/pages/p/wholestory.aspx-qqqt=TOM+MCGURK-qqqs=commentandanalysis-qqqsectionid=3-qqqc=5.3.0.0-qqqn=1-qqqx=1.asp

The elephant in the room is that the large anti-Lisbon vote last year in Irish workingclass areas may well have been influenced by immigration, but such are the limitations imposed by our tsars of political correctness that the possibility may not even be publicly aired. Indeed, ask any question at all about the wider implications of immigration and the Pavlovian response is an accusation of racism.

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Grzegorz_

So they should be repatriated. They are guest workers, they got paid. They become unemployed they should be sent back home. Its where charity begins.

Barney

I have posted many links showing how Poles are a burden on the Irish economy. Not one has been refuted.

Torq

The EU has got billions from fishing in Irish waters. Theres no such thing as a free lunch.

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irishdeano

I am an Irish citizen and my views on immigration from eastern europe are shared with 66% of the Irish population who want much stricter immigration controls from Eastern European accession states.(source Irish Times)

Poland has given Ireland nowt, we owe them nothing.

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Torq

Anybody can be deported from Ireland if they have no means to support themselves and a burden on the state or are involved in crime. Many Roma gypsies are deported back to Romania from Ireland, a fellow EU state.

I find it strange that a Pole is lecturing me about my governments rules and regulations, tell that to the Poles who immigrate here they all claim they left because of their government. Tell them to stay and change the government and to improve their own native land.

They are not needed or wanted in the Irish nation.

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irishdeano

You studied business, well done. You have a Polish girlfirend, I wish you all the best.

The numbers immigrating here are unsustainable, the Polish community claim that there are up to 500,000 Poles here. It is an invasion. That is the equivalent of every Irish national in Ireland emigrating to Poland.

The government is finished, once a general election is called, they will be gone. We will have to rectify many of their mistakes. The first one on the list should be eastern europeans having free access to our labour market. It can be done by a stroke of a pen in Brussels.

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Barney

They stand for themselves. 1.5 billion sent home per annum. Over 125 million euro spent teaching foreign children English. 50,000 Poles claiming 204 euro a week dole. Over 3,000 Polish families claiming rent allowance(900 euro poer month). 30 million euro sent home to Poland as child allowance for children not even resident in the state. Add to all this that anyone under 25,000 euro per annum( the majority of Polish immigrants) do not pay a cent in PAYE tax and only a couple of euro in PRSI.

They are a burden on the state.

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Ireland32

Importing up to 500,000 Poles, the majority of whom have no interest in Ireland or no interest in integrating with the Irish people is a plantation.

It is moving one nationality into a country with the sole aim of setting up their own Polish areas, shops, social centres, and syphoning as much money as they can from the Irish state back to Poland or among their fellow Polish nationals.

Torq

The source is from the Polish media outlets in Ireland.
krakowpost.com/article/665

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PPS numbers issued to Poles in 2009-11,007
PPS numbers issued to Poles in 2008-42,554
PPS numbers issued to Poles in 2007-79,816
PPS numbers issued to Poles in 2006-93,787
PPS numbers issued to Poles in 2006-64,731
PPS numbers issued to Poles in 2005-27,295
PPS numbers issued to Poles in 2004- 3,828
PPS numbers issued to Poles in 2003- 2,649
PPS numbers issued to Poles in 2002- 2,259
PPS numbers issued to Poles in 2001- 570
Issued before 2001 - 9,564

That leaves us with 338,060 Poles issued with PPS numbers in Ireland. Now this does not take into account the number of Polish children in Ireland,stay at home partners, those working in the black market, parents or grandparents coming over to mind children, younger relatives etc etc.

Source
welfare.ie/EN/Topics/PPSN/Pages/ppsn_all_2008.aspx

My concern is about the number of Poles settling here. The definition of a plantation is as follows,An original settlement in a new country; a colony. That is what the Poles are doing in Ireland. The numbers speak for themselves.

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Torq

I do not know. The numbers are all over the place. Children do not need PPS numbers, either do students. Your guess on the number of Poles here is as good as mine.

63,000? - From the census
170,000? -From the Polish embassy
200,000? -From the Minister of Integration
500,000? -From Polish media in Dublin.

It is a ridiculous situation.

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Ireland32

If thats what you are into work away. I am happy enough with my Galway girl.

The Poles are our largest minority, the numbers are unsustainable.

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Ireland32

When the current wave upon wave of Polish immigration ends and the majority go home, then and only then, will I be happy with immigration from Eastern Europe.

It benefits nobody but big businesses, builders, and slum landlords. The Irish people pay the massive social costs while the rich make the profits. It cannot continue.

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Ireland32


Indeed, not for eastern europeans or 3rd worlders. Ireland for the Irish.

Zimmy

Many Mexicans are just returning to their ancestors land. Many could argue that they are indegenous, unlike yourself. ;)

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Torq

Repatriate those who do not swear allegiance to the Irish state. Ireland for the Irish, not for London, Brussels, or Rome.

SeanBM

Are you drinking? Or having a breakdown?

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Ireland32
Mass Immigration from eastern europe started in 2005. The Celtic Tiger started in 1996. To link the two is absurd. The Poles came because of the boom, they had no involvement in creating it.

Sinn Feiners: Brits Out Poles In!

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SeanBM

Like you with spelling and grammar. You are traitor to the Irish people. You are a disgrace to every Irishman that has ever lived and those yet to be born.

Selling out your people for a bit of foreign muff.

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Ireland32

The M50 was built before 2005. Seriously, the Irish as a hard working as anybody.

Another sell out for a bit of foreign muff. Castle Catholics, if you will.

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SeanBM

Your strength? What strength? The only reason you support mass immigration is because it was the only way you would get your rock and roll.

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SeanBM

Let us say you are off your head.

Let us say you are a disgrace to every Irishman and women that has ever lived and those who are yet to be born.

Let us say nobody refuted my claims that Poles are a drain on the economy(backed up with facts).

Let us say we should scrap the free movement of labour and issue a work permit scheme.

Let us say my work here is done. Let us say I have delved into the minds of my enemies and I now more than ever want Ireland free of them.

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SeanBM

It is very easy to turn the Irish against mass immigration from eastern europe.

The facts speak for themselves. Ignore them if you will, but you cannot refute them. Recessions are like kryptonite to mass immigration. It is human nature.

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SeanBM

It is a poxy internet forum of Poles and Irish traitors. Unite you? And what will you achieve?

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SeanBM

Look, happy, care to refute any of the facts I brought to this forum or are you just going to resort to personal attacks. If so, I will leave and return to gloat when welfare entitlements and access to our open labour marker are taken away from the accession states.

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ShelleyS

My quarrell is with mass immigration from Eastern Europe. I have no problem with others settling in Ireland at reasonable numbers.

Tell you what, when you give is Northern Ireland back we can return the people you planted here as a swap for the Irish over in the UK, many of whom who emigrated there when Ireland was still part of the UK. Only fair. You cannot colonise half the world and complain when the natives decide to move to the UK.

ZIMMY

Never happen, my children will be Irish, not slavic.

Ireland32

Your beloved parties support for mass immigration has caused it to slump and die in the south. Sinn Fein Brits Out Poles In!

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Ireland32

Then why the poor perfomance in the 2007 General elections? Why the poor performance in the locals two weeks ago? Why did they lose their MEP seat? Why are they polling at 7% while all the other parties are eating into Fianna Fails percentage. Why is the party in decline.

I will tell you why as their core voters, the working class, have been sold out by Sinn Fein by their support of 3rd world and eastern european immigration.

Was it not Adams who said "They are Irish if they are here for four months or four hundred years!"

Sinn Fein is dead in the south.

SeanBM

I have explained this to you now three times. Is it that hard to understand. Here is the article,
archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2008/06/22/story33891.asp

Once the ballot boxes were opened, the issue of migrant workers became 'the elephant in the room' that few politicians had wished to confront before the referendum.

''It was definitely there, but nobody really wanted to talk about it," conceded Fine Gael deputy Leo Varadkar. ''A lot of left-wing campaigns stirred the immigration pot, some deliberately and some unwittingly," he said

rgemonitor.com/euro-monitor/252779/why_did_ireland_vote_no_to_the_lisbon_treaty

It is also plausible that part of the No vote relates to a lack of comfort with the very high levels of immigration from the new members states over the last five years. While the immigration flows were broadly welcomed during the boom years, the current slowdown in the Irish economy means that there is greater competition for jobs and more pressure on wage rates in construction and services sectors, which may have prompted an anti-Europe vote in some quarters.