News / Polish/German/Russian relations [304]

I agree with your addition on my comment. I absolutely agree

Hey, this thread is political. It is deal on that other thread which is on the way

News / Polish/German/Russian relations [304]


Brate, as we Serbs like to say `Poland has `stereo` system` (from one side Germany, from the other side Russia)` but, still, don’t compare Russia and Germany. Please, that hurt me.

I had opportunity to talk with many Russians (in reality/to drink with them and on the Net to chat) and all of them fell like a sh** because some things from past (Katyn- just for example).

When they speak about that, they are focused on that what had they done and they don’t analyze eventual Polish mistakes from past, they are focused on their mistakes. They feel responsibility because Slavic children suffered.

On the other side, Germans- as individuals are still deluded with hegemonism and assimilation of Slavs. They, also deserve chance but, we need to be careful and their aggressive steps to take very seriously.

Too long Serbia (Serbs- in general) was absent from inter-Slavic politics/relations (Ottoman occupation, communism, German pressure on all fronts) but now we are back and we would remind our Russian brothers that they consolidate their state, on behalf of all Slavs. In that name, our Polish brothers and sisters should support our honest intentions from their side.

We Serbs would like to see that all Slavic children prosper and walk with dignity. Only for that reason we still resist and exist.

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Listen boy... reading about Slavic history, culture and spirituality... you would maybe have opportunity to read about your own past and lost spirituality.

So, on the end of reading you maybe won’t laugh.

I suggest you to open your mind for scientific evidences and for old data which are available. Forget about daily politics and instead try to participate in discussions only on the base of your non-political argumentation. It is your right to agree or to disagree with some theory, to think nicely or not about Slavic spirituality and culture but, don’t mix politics in it.

relax

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I wouldn`t tell it batter, Lone

Then, let best from Slavic history, tradition, spirituality and culture show the way to entire humankind.

Expect one interesting thread, very soon.

News / Polish/German/Russian relations [304]

Lone... let`s make a deal

I would start one new thread, which would be combination of history, ancient Slavic tradition and spirituality, connection between humans and nature, ... but, no politics absolutely. Absolutley, no. This should relax people hire

Lone, will you support me in this?

Shopgirl, what you think?

News / Polish/German/Russian relations [304]


Eh

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Let`s analize current Polish/Russian (Slavic, in general) situation with Germany.

I suggest that we first surf a little thru some headlines...

Poland points to series of unresolved problems with Germany

irna.ir/en/news/view/menu-239/0705185849165425.htm

Berlin, May 18, IRNA - Germany-Poland-Fotyga

Czech minister writes to Austrian ambassador over discrimination

ceskenoviny.cz/news/index_view.php?id=252996

In Defence of the Sorbs....Deustchwelle compares Sorbs to Turks

network54.com/Forum/65102/thread/1123988976/last-1124784827/In+Defence +of+the+Sorbs....Deustchwelle+compar%20es+Sorbs+to+Turks.

German captain defies Polish "warning shot" on Baltic

dpa German Press Agency

Published: Thursday October 19, 2006

rawstory.com/news/2006/German_captain_defies_Polish_warnin_10192006.html

Sudeten leader praises Merkel for not yielding to Czechs

accessmylibrary.com/comsite5/bin/pdinventory.pl?pdlanding=1 &referid=2930&purchase_type=ITM&item_id=0286-29427924

Russians mark victory over Nazi Germany

news.yahoo/s/ap/20070509/ap_on_re_eu/russia_victory_day

By MIKE ECKEL, Associated Press Writer

Wed May 9, 1:36 PM ET

German Soldiers Spurring Sex Trade on Kosovo

dw-world.de/dw/article/0,1564,1365134,00.html

Accusations that German peacekeepers in Kosovo solicit the services of girls forced into prostitution aren't new. But now, non-government groups say the practice still continues unchanged.

Schroeder pays tribute to German troops in Kosovo

cnn.com/WORLD/europe/9907/23/yugoslavia.01/index.html

July 23, 1999
Web posted at: 1:35 p.m. EDT (1735 GMT)

German government extends mandate of troops in Kosovo

english.peopledaily.com.cn/200405/20/eng20040520_143824.html

Bonn Deploys Combat Troops In Bosnia

themilitant.com/1997/611/611_12.html

German state seams very active. Again. On Slavic ground

This is interesting news... Ooooooo, Poles, brothers.... I am surprised... positively

Obviously, we need to respect soldiers who fought against German occupators boosted with pan-Slavic feelings. They didn`t deserve oblivion, communism yes and dilusions of Soviet era but, not those who were ready to sacrafice their life for liberty of their Slavic brothers. That`s how I see this issue about monuments...

Majority of Poles oppose relocation of Russian memorials

Friday, May 11, 2007 at 10:01

eux.tv/article.aspx?articleId=8009

Warsaw (dpa) - A majority of Poles oppose government plans to relocate Soviet-era monuments, according to an opinion poll published Friday by conservative daily Rzeczpospolita.

News / Polish/German/Russian relations [304]

Maybe you want to admit that you are Serb or to say Sorb (at least in origin), Pomeranian, Kasub, etc... or maybe you support liberation of Lusatia.

News / Polish/German/Russian relations [304]


I agree.

Our personality is reflection of our personal expiriances but, also of collective expiriance of our races, nations, social groups, etc. Level of education affect personality , too.

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You Germans batter be carefull when speak about relocations. You taken too much from my kind.

You know, one day, you would get back all what you have taken by your bloody fingers and by your perfid schemes.

You are of Teutons, mix of native Slavs and Semitic Romans. But, that`s not worse in you. Problem is that you are spiritual abomination and generator of delusions, from old Slavs, remembered as mute people.

Same how you dissoluted Yugoslavia and still dissoluting Serbs, you would be dissoluted one day. And, will be peace in Europe.

History / Soviet war monuments in Poland - what to do about them? [133]

Lone, my virtual prijatelju i brate, tell me- why you didn`t sympli tell me- Calm down, as always? Just that and, I would feel that I am less sh** then I now feel...

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Poles and Russians are so sympathic when they arguing, as all Serbs- I mean Sarmatians or Slavs or whatever.
He, he... history is so irronical and Gods just play with us.


Brate, I don`t give a sh** for Germany but, if you finish with Russia who would help to Serbs in time of our need. You know, Turks (for example) just wait that Russia collapse.

Please, don`t leave us without protection. Serbia can be nice, little Southern province with many rivers and lakes.

We have that twisted dream about unity of Slavs and I`m sure, Serbs would easely swich on dream about unity of Slavs under Polish domination.

Ha, what about that?

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dannyboy.. You confusing yourself with two terms -`Anti-Slavisim` and `anti-Slavic`.

Listen, Anti-Slavisim can be understood as institutionally approved minimization/humiliation of Slavs. On the base of actions of some governments (German- for example). We can say that Germany deeply interfere in inter Slavic relations, even inter- Serbian (to waeken cohesive forces of nation) relations etc, on behalf of selfish German interests. Then, we very well know how Hollywood like to present Slavs in movies (I don’t want even to comment). Or, I can remind you on Hitler’s `My Kampf` where he `explained` that- `Slavs are sub-people`.

We can elaborate this problem from many angles but, we already can say that on so called West exists institutional anti-Slavism, from time when Slavs were conquered and were used as object of slavery from Roman/Teuton invaders.

On the other side, anti-Slavic behavior can be understood as behavior which as its consequence has humiliation of Slavs but on micro level. For example, when one start to use Poles as object of jokes, no matter that he even maybe don`t know nothing about Poles.

We also, immediately can say tat anti-Slavic behavior exist.

Anti-Semitism on so called West (particularly in Western Europe) is false because fundaments of societies in non-Slavic Europe are in Semitic ideological constructions, not in native European heritage. Slavs are last people in the world, loyal to native European culture (languages, etc) but saying that I don’t want to say that those who abandoned native European heritage (because of pressure from Semitic intruders) are less worth. No, I just say that for the sake of truth. Also, I have nothing against Semitics but, hire we speak about their role in one specific situation.

Anti-Semitism is false on so called West but, anti-Slavism and anti-Slavic behavior are essential parts of people’s way of thinking and functioning of institutions. That is encouraged by governments which are in constant state of `drang nach osten` (on alert!). It is because of constant needs for large amounts of population and resources- population (Slavic!) which need to be assimilated and resources (Slavic! Not only Russian!) which need to be taken by force or by abnormal expansion of ideological constructions.

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Modern Panslavism is just one form of fight for rights of Slavs. If Slavic OTPOR become reality it will still be just political movement.

I belong to people who would suggest that we do even more than that. I suggest ultimate respon on situation and that is unity of Slavs thru democraticaly organized state- preferable confederation or some form of federation.

History / Soviet war monuments in Poland - what to do about them? [133]


Uh, uh, you exaggerate man.

Anyway, Slavdom is in deep sh**, that’s fact. I’m aware of it.

But dream about Slavia still live.

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Warsaw city getting on importance, that’s for sure.

I won’t complaint if in future Slavic Union, Warsaw become Capitol city. That would be natural considering that Polish nobility from period of `Sarmatian schlachta` represented last remain of ruling establishment of once united Slavdom- with that, last core of Sarmatia Europae and Sarmatia Asiatica.

Also, Serbs of Upper and Lower Lusatia point on Warsaw (and sometimes on Prague- on internet forums where Lusatian, Molise and Balkan Serbs communicate between each others) as future Capitol city of possible Slavic Union. If they wish that, then we can say that all Serbs of Slavdom reached consensus on this. So, we- Balkan Serbs would use all our influence on Russians that they also accept that. Russians are brothers and they would respond positively, I am sure. Rivalry between Russia and Poland weakened complete Slavic world. It must end, we have a lot of to do- together.

Warsaw, Capitol of Democratic Slavic Union- that sounds good to me.

News / IS LECH KACZYNSKI DOING A GOOD JOB? [43]

Serbs think that evil twins Kaczynski are just little bit less idiots then it was resting in peace now Yeltzin of Russia.

History / Soviet war monuments in Poland - what to do about them? [133]


It`s the poetry, man


A, da. Yes, yes...I going

History / Soviet war monuments in Poland - what to do about them? [133]


Hah, Russians would be OK... and, they would be hire in time of our need. I’m sure it’s just that pressure from false West on them and, that transition. They are a little nervous these days.

Relax sisters and brothers!

What we need right now is one good party with gallons of slivovica and orange juice, eventually.

Girl of White Garden, give me that drink that you promised to me and sing, sing for me and let’s dance…

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daffy

I am also against generalisation but, we realy can speak about mantality in general (when we speak about some ethos).

So, in one hand you are right. On the other side, I understand Grzegorz`s position.

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Damn. If that's how they treated Poles, hate to see what service Orthodox Slavs could get these days.

I heard from my good friend who is in Italy for some time that current situation is very bad and that Slavs, no matter Catholic, Protestant or Orthodox are considered as sub-people.

I visited Italy few times on my way to France and I can tell that people from North of Italy isn't same as people from the South of country. Differences are not only in life stile but, I can say that gypsy-looking Italians from South are all very noisy, blatant ... their physical look is nothing in compare to Slavic, no wonder they envy us in common. But, fact is, in general Italians don't like Slavs. They used to consider us as slaves and that's how it is even today.

Ah yes, there are exceptions in one part of Northern Italy (particularly in Padania and some few more Nortern (!) regions). People from that zone consider that they are of Slaveno-Celtic origin. When I heard that for the first time, I investigated a little for myself. Hire is what I found...

ITALY: NORTHERN LEAGUE TO HOLD INDEPENDENCE CONGRESS IN PADANIA

highbeam.com/doc/1P1-6347280.html

Lega Nord - From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lega_Nord

Molise Serbs

geodatabase.de/Molise%20Serbs

"A History of the Beam Family", by Prof. Jacob L. Beam of Princeton,
published in 1919- Boii tribes

padan.org/padan/contentid-40.html

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Yes, we agree I know. We want to see different methods for people of this world.

We need universal principles, not double standards. So that Christmas can be real Christmas.

Thanks daffy man- son of Irish tree. Regards from Crow of Scordiscs.

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But, daffy looks pretty logic to me that Russian pressure on Estonia could represent just bait- you know Putin`s methods (no matter what we think about them or, we can even speak about USA/EU/NATO terrifying methods).

Maybe, Russia want to send message that sovereignty represent universal principle and that Serbia also has right to survive as sovereign country or that Russia has right on sovereignty, etc. Hire, and Estonia and Serbia represent just puppets in game of great powers. It`s not form of support which Serbs expect but, what can we do.

Same way how Estonia getting support from some countries, I expect to see that Serbia get support for her sovereignty. What does it matter who are in EU/NATO. Freedom, independence and sovereignty are universal principles. If EU/NATO blackmail Serbia, in order to force Serbia to become member of those organizations just because Serbs hold strategic region of Western Balkan (important to finally push Russian presents from warm sees), I say- `to hell with EU/NATO, they are monsters if they can’t understand that we can’t support them in their drang nach osten. We can’t, we are responsible last bearers of honest Sarmatian name.`

And, let all Catholic and Protestans Serbs who were scattered already, from Baltik to Balkan, know that they won’t feel shame because of us- Balkan Orthodox Serbs. It is nice to live and died as Serbs and Slavs.

Long live sovereignty!

If EU/NATO/USA wants to restore respect on them they need to return what they taken from Serbs, on one great international conference. That include- restoration of Serb Krajina under Croatian occupation, freedom for Serb Republic in Bosnia which is forced to exist in society with mujaheedines who coming to settle from Arabia, and Kosovo-Metohija must stay integral part of Serbia.

And, of course, we would demand chance for independence of Lusatia. Let people decide on plebiscite about their own future because Lusatian Serbs are native population on their own ground.

Otherwise, Slavic OTPOR is inevitable. Same broom which sweeped Milosevic would sweept those who humiliates Slavs.

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I already said that I don`t support Putin`s methods but, if we want to be honest methods of EU aren`t batter. Fundaments of EU are in ancient Greace and Rome and fundaments of those societies were in slavery of Slavs.

Or, take USA for example. Fundaments of USA are in genocide of whole one race, that is in genocide of native American Indians who are even today considered as sub-people.

I am against double standards. Let`s speak honestly and let we make this world batter.

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Russia need to be changed. That is priority on the list of Slavic Otpor.


Unfortunately, those are very well known facts.

Things will be changed.


EU support spread of Islam on Balkan, EU colaborate with Al Qaeda on Balkan, EU colaborate with mujaheedines on Balkan, EU supoported creation of Greater Croatia, EU supporting creation of Greater Albania, ...and imagine selfish Russian elite even helped them in some moments and on the other side, Pan-Slavic wing of Russian elite opposed to this situation in some other moments.

Problem is that you never can`t be sure who prevail in Russia in some moment and that way you can`t count on Russians. For that, things should be changed inside of Russia so that Pan-Slavic/pro-Russian democratic elite take control over Russia for good.

I see things different then you daffy, from obvious reasons. My expiriance is different.

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Nor EU, nor NATO didn`t offer correcet respont on chalanges of modern era and, on problems which are essential for Slavic coutries.

There are rumors which said that Slavs are considered as sub-people from most of Germans, from most of Western Europeans and Americans and that Slavs are humiliated. Things in Russia should be changed, in all Slavic coutries, too.

Slavic OTPOR is inevitable.

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It existed and exist in heads of members of one wing of original Serbian OTPOR in time of Milosevic`s dictature and pressure from false West on Serbian people. OTPOR needed to deal with two evil in the same time. Idea still live and there are rumors.

Members of that wing were sure that same danger for democratic evolution of Serbian society represent: left oriented Slobodan Milosevic, selfishness and trechery of Russian elite, German imperialism and USA hegemonism.

Analizing situation in complete Slavic world and around, members of that wing decided that soon will come the day for formation of Slavic OTPOR, exactly on principle- United we stand, divided we fall.

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It is because Russia is still ruled by traitors of Slavic kind who even cooperate with Slavic foes and behind the scene all of us could be sold, just like in the time of slavery.

But, things would be changed. Slavdom will be awaken!

Slavic OTPOR live!

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Don’t remind me on that... its, it’s disgusting

...and, it isn`t only nowadays. They did it many times in past

God help Russians that Russia finaly become democratic state.


Amen, Amen, Amen


Poles resisted to Nazis and they can do whatever they want. I like Poles, and that`s plus reason why Poles can do whatever they want if by me and, I expect that Russians even help them to remove any problematic monument from Poland and even to ask them is there anything else what they can correct and, even to build some monument to Poles which died because of Russia`s mistakes and on the end of all process to apologise to Poles for desturbing them...

OK, we speak about Soviet period. Soviets (communists) were even anti-Russians. But, anyway, that what I said can be applied on time before Soviet era.

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But look how they hurry to warns Russia. They know what are their `obligations`, instead to relax situation. Lives of Slavs and all people in the region are in game. My congrats to Slovakia once more for their attitude.

NATO warns Russia

newsalerts.com/news/article/nato-warns-russia-on-estonia-row.html:worl %20d19:932257

daffy

It scares me how many idiotic persons lead politics on world scene.