UPA - Ukrainian Insurgent Army. How they killed poles in Volhynia (1943).

The fact is Constantin that despite all that happened we're getting closer and closer with Ukraine whereas Russia is being left out more and more, sure people do business with you but as far as international trust and activities Russia is being left out.

Russia is still a powerhouse though. It can make business deals at the drop of a hat. I don't really believe that Timoshenko will value Poland as a close partner like Yushenko did. She's a devious little coc, eh, person so don't bank on anything Sokrates.

Ah no if Timoshenko gets to rule than Ukraine is lost, i completely agree that Russia can make deals but no longer at a drop of the hat ( the latest gas crisis ) they no longer have enough cheap resources to use them as a leverage AND maintain domestic consumption.

I observe slightly differently. If Europe really embraces alternative options to gas, then Russia may find itself in a precarious position. Still, quote me some odds on that happening. Russia is secure enough for now, many new countries are interested in its natural supplies. When you talk of months of reserves, which most countries had, that's not sustainable at all. Exhaust those and you will trigger a domino effect. Not only business will suffer, interpersonal relationships will too. I have discussed this with professionals who heavily rely on these gas supplies. So, in the sphere of gas, at the drop of a hat. Its leverage may have been reduced in other areas but not in this one, for now anyway.

LOL, Kostik is good to have on board. It's nice when you can have representation from different sides. Poles, like everyone else, are not entirely accurate in their depiction of history. It has to be that way. We rely on the accounts of others.

It would be good to have some Baltic players join in, just to give things a more rounded perspective. I mean Latvians, Lithuanians and Estonians.

Yes! Yes! Yes!

But they're Polish.

How do you work that one out?

You mean like...logic ?

The Baltic folk don't like Poles who say what you are saying now. They have their own traditions and are NOT Polish.

"Sancta simplicita" said Ian Gus to an old woman who threw some dry branches into the fire, on which he was burnt. She didn't know what for this Czech genious is being murdered, but she felt a blind hatred for the very reason of her simplicity. Sokrates, you would make that woman blush with envy to your surpassing greatness in simplicity.

True true.


Nothing a campaign of terror and forceful polonization wouldnt fix.


I iz simpel!

How would 'polonization' manifest itself? What ideology would you impose? Hehehe, Poland is not much of a world power, sorry.

Everything done by force is weak in its nature. When you have nothing to offer, you try to yell to bring attention to yourself at least for a while. Later, people are accustomed to a yeller and it becomes like an airport's sound by your home.

Monarchy.


Erm... murder ? Forecefull resetllement ?


True thats why we should be cowardly and only pick on those much weaker, like Ukraine or Baltic States.

See how far Germany came from being a backstabbing little prussian duchy so we should start backstabbing small countries at random.


Neverrr we shall burn minorities liberals and dolls of Harry in the streets, violence is the way.

Ukraine would wipe the floor with Poland, sorry. They have a strong navy and hardass soldiers.

Monarchy, LOL. A fan of the British system I see ;)

Touch those Baltic states and Russia would flamegrill you.

Sokrates, how old are you? I am fascinated by your ideas.

Erm... Ukraine doesnt even have money to pay the soldiers their money, their weapons and airforce are obsolete and little of what they actually have is usable whereas our are while not strong is reasonable, any war wouldnt last a month.

They dont even have modern tank ammo capable of destroying an MBT ffs.


Naturally. We could trade you for the younger prince, you dont have a use for him and there's no point in having a spare.


We could tie russian children to our tanks

We have love to our west neighbors. And love conquers all. I will personally put a flower into a Polish tank (by the way, those that were stolen recently?) and kiss a tankist Grzegosz.

We dnot want your communist flower!