Sarmatia Europe - Could it be political reality?

Crow there is problem because for some nations in created by you region Poles are like Jews for Joe or Germans for you... Closer cooperation is very good idea firstly between Czech rep Slovakia Hungary and if you wish Serbia.

Admin, please correct the title of the thread. its not Sarmatia Europe but, Sarmatia Europae, as is mentioned in old chronicles

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what you talking about?

Poland tries to make cooperation in region possible.

ukraine-poland.com
visegradgroup.eu/main.php?folderID=858

"The Visegrad Group (also known as the "Visegrad Four" or simply "V4") reflects the efforts of the countries of the Central European region to work together in a number of fields of common interest within the all-European integration. The Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland and Slovakia have always been part of a single civilization sharing cultural and intellectual values and common roots in diverse religious traditions, which they wish to preserve and further strengthen."

We cooperate with Baltic States and we try to help Bielarus. What about Serbs ? You should try to do your job in the balkan region.

In my opinion Serbs should join NATO and later we can start discussion and text you posted here has nothing to do with reality.

Serbia will enter to EU. It is inevitable.

Second scenario ;
If Serbs offer Romanians to change their lands, and Romanians accept, then they can ally with Russia :)

Sarmatia Europe ;
Reminds me a very delicious Turkish meal called ''Sarma''

Currently, Slavic countries are too poor to play an important role in Europe.

When the budget of Slavic countries exceeds that of Germany and other Western European powers, we will talk about replacing EU with sth else.

But it is certainly not going to happen during our lifetime.

Simply speaking: There is no alternative.

Conclusion: Forget Sarmatia Europe.

I would favor a Parliamentary form for each state in the EU...But, unlike the EU, the 'SU' would have no big bureaucracy like in Brussels, but only a 'council of states' that would render decisions on issues that would affect all states in SU...Power would be from the 'bottom up', that is, a 'confederation' where all states would regulate their own local affairs...the SU 'parliament' would be more like a Native American 'pow wow', where all tribes would come together periodically to discuss and perhaps make decisions on issues of importance...As far as monarchy, this is possible, but only for 'ceremonial' purposes...Many European 'royal families' are corrupt and accumulate wealth secretely...Then they let the Jews run their financial affairs, which is a source of extreme problems...Rather, Slavic economists and bankers should run financial affairs....On religious issues, there would be complete freedom of worship, but I would let the Orthodox Churches be a guiding force; let the Vatican step aside...I believe the Orthodox Church has historically been a moral guiding light...Hopefully Poland, although loyal to the Vatican, would develop their own national church, as a bridge between Orthodox & Roman Catholicism...Also, I would carefully watch immigration, to prevent the SU from being 'overun' by Muslims...There, you have serious suggestions.

Its not that all of us Poles are completely crazy and all over the EU. But it seems to be a good thing to be a part of. If there is a better alternative.... Poles wont mind going in that one too. At the end of the day, its all about how households/individuals want to see themselves and run their micro economies.

exactly. Its all about standard of living, economy and prosperity. i understand that


agree


you are a little contradictory here. If there is `complete freedom of worship` why would i care is it Polish Catholic Church `national Church` or simple Catholic Church. Let Catholic Poles decide about it.

i support complete freedom of worship. All people are free to choose their `guiding force` on their own


i agree with this. It should be our conclusion on `Parliamentary Monarchy` in this context. Monarch as simbol and for `Ceremonial` purposes would do.


EU sistem isn`t formed in order to make Slavs richer but to control them

here, we trying to talk about sistem which can put Slavs in better position

What does the EU provide nations that a strong,, respected, and sovereign nation cannot provide for itself?

Strong, respected and soverreign... these three words are not always found fit for all nations.

EU is like a club... which supports and tries to bring a level playing field. The border flexibility is there... and many such aspects which promise to be benefitting... and people in modern times like to go an extra step forward. They like to take chances for that also.

EU does have some facilities...but also, it sometimes projects more than its about. Something like a charm. However, not everyone is happy about it.

Plus... if there is EU...why dont we have an EAU!?...EuropeanAsian Union. This topic was raised on a talk show I was watching. It promises to have more charm, bigger market, more jobs and better business. Plus, the ordinary person's horizon broadens.

At this moment...EU is moving towards a broader horizon too. And this I believe is its Charm.

Your hidden message is quite obvious here.

When you say Slavs, you mean Serbs.
When you say in a better position, you mean regain Kosovo.

Don`t you? :):):)

It has already been said here: 70% Poles are satisfied with EU.
Why do you want to persuade them they are wrong?

EU is a central machine of administration.It decides the directions each country will take on the interests of other country-members.
What has Poland that is of economic interest?The working force,experienced workers with technical abilities.Also a market for EU products.
What has Greece?Tourism,ships and banks.
Etc.EU develops to the maximum the most valuable of the nation's resources.

Poland has a lot of agriculture:25%.This means poverty in european economic terms.EU agrees to subsidize agricultural products if you agree that agriculture percentage in work force will decrease.Polish immigrants leave the villages to work in english factories.In this way the businessmen who own the factories are favoured.

The labour hit by the movement of polish immigrants is in disadvantage.So it reacts and the businessmen have to give sth to them through taxes.That is they use part of the benefit they get from polish labour to subsidize the local population in order not to moan about the developments which are beneficial in the long term.

Sth like that.

In a possible Sarmatiae Union,could Russia for example absorb the 1.5 million polish workforce currently employed in the UK?Maybe,if Russians threw away Tatziks and Caucasian immigrants.Would the Poles be ready to work for Russians with the same salaries as Tatziks?Here you need force.So,why should they choose this option instead of EU?

Serbia has 40% unemployment and a GDP per capita half than that of Poland.What would be the benefit for Poles from union with Serbia?To import unemployment?Or do they long for serbian products?

Of course Sarmatia Europe is viable through other circumstances which today do not exist.

no hidden message. I speak about alternatives to Slavs and criticize current situation. I even don`t point on Slavic Union or Slavic Alliance (BDW, i would rather support Alliance then Union) but, here i realy point on eventual creation of conglomerate of states which should be based on Slavic heritage (as alternative to USA, EU, Australia, Canada- based on non Slavic heritage) and, in continuity with previous existing spheras of influence (conglomerates) which were based on Slavic heritage- Sarmatia Europae, Great Moravia, Polish-Lithvanian Comonvelth, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia


when i say Slavs, i mean Slavs.


i realy don`t feel necesity to speak about Kosovo in every occation. Kosovo is Serbia and that`s how it is. Kosovo was more then 400 years under Turkish occupation and then Serbs liberated it. We would do it again

After all, its not only our problem. Its also Russian, Ukrainian and Polish problem. Same as Serbians, you all would also sooner or later took part in liberation of Kosovo. It is just this political momentum that Poland needs to work against her own national interests, on the long run.


no. Raely no


What about Serbs?

We did it. We did all to strenghten Slavic South. We even accepted Yugoslavia instead of create ethnic Serbian state. If we created only Serbian ethnic state, Slovenia and Croatia (Zagreb, Krizevci and Varazdin) would be lost for Slavic world (would stay under Austrian-Italian oppresion). So, we defended Slavija but, we didn`t get prommised Polish and Russian support.

Serbians even managed to help Poland to regain its independance. In fact, all what Serbian inteligentsia done on Slavic South in formation of Yugoslavia was in strict coordination with Polish inteligentsia. Representatives of Polish elite were even more specific, insisting on importance of particulary Serbian factor on Slavic South. But Serbs mistaken and gave chance to Croatian/Zagreb elite to import German schemes in the region. It was our fatal mistake.

What we see, during and after dissolution of Yugoslavia is that Polish influence droping and that German influence increasing in the region. Russian interest isn`t problem here. Serbs managed to succesfuly balance Russian and Polish interests.

i constantly repeating that Tusk policy on Balkan reperesent `Poland vs. Poland` situation. Read this...

Ilija Garasanin's "Nacertanije"
A REASSESSEMENT
Institute for Balkan Studies
Serbian Academy of Arts and Sciences
Belgrade, Dusan T. Batakovic
rastko.org.yu/istorija/batakovic/batakovic-nacertanije_eng.html

What about the millions of non-slavs living in the coming slavic alliance? Will they have to wear a ... say... star or something similiar? How about a big fat "G" for "Germanic" ?


What about the 95 something percent Albanians living in Kosovo?
Are you liberating them too? From their homes? Their lives?


The Kosovo is an ukrainian problem???


Are they forced to speak german now??? :)

what about million of Slavs living in EU, USA, Canada, Australia... and speaking versions of English language?


why you hijacking this thread. I didn`t hijacked non of your threads. You even don`t have your thread, you don`t have anything to say just hijacking other threads


all Albanians who are Serbian citizens should stay on Kosovo. Albanians who arrived illegaly on Kosovo-Metohija need to go back to Albania. Many of illegal Albanian immigrants arrived from Albania on Kosovo after NATO occupation of province in 1999. NATO should explain them that they must go back to Albania and even escort them out from province of Kosovo-Metohija.


a lot of Ukrainians died for liberation of Serbian lands from Turkish occupation, same as many Russians and Poles. They all had their interests. They didn`t died for pure slavophilia. There are interests which are violated after attack on Serbian southern borders.


it would be next phase

I imagine Crow president of USA.He would immediately rename it to United Slavic Alliance and force all non-Slavs out except they start speaking slavic.Just kidding.


Would you like to see them escorted to some western country?Where?


Like many Serbians died fighting in russian wars against Ottomans.

and in Polish wars fighting Teutons and Tatars

You never seemed to sympathize the germanics.

Well, it isn't defined and thought of and founded as a "germanic only alliance"...


Don't get your knickers in a twist....you don't live in a slavic vacuum (truth hurts I know) so my question is very applicable.

Please answer!


You know I frankly don't believe you that the Albanians were a tiny minority before 1999 and then grew to become a 95 to 98 majority in less than a decade...or else there wouldn't had been a Kosovo crisis in the first place.

Accept the facts! You can't build anything on lies....and the fact here would be you want a serbian minority dictatorship over more than 90 percent of another often hostile ethnie...

What you demand for the Serbs/Slavs you should be ready to give others too...freedom and independence!


He...:)

Contributing dear Mr C, it's not hijacking.


Ethnic cleansing????? Hmmmm I see the attitude of the new generations growing up don't change!

Shall we send all the Serbian refugees who stayed and settled in the UK back to Serbia?

Oh...and what about those with mixed heritage??? You know...the "germavs"....or was it the "Slavans"? What about them?
Do you have to show evidence for your pure slavic ancestry for top jobs?
A "Slavier Nachweis"?

They're not having my dentist back, I'm keeping him

Crow, in your posts you frequently mention Turks.

Be honest, did you miss us ? :))

Weird Al Yankovic for Minister of Culture! Why? Because his father was Serbian and he's a Yank(ovic) and because of his deep understanding of modern culture (Smells Like Nirvana).

Does that count as thread hijacking?

are you feeling OK Crow? LOL

It will be a cold day in hell before Turks occupy the Balkans again. Remember that. You would pay dearly for an offensive like this.

Well... Crow has a mission in his life. He lives for a cause... and its not that bad.

I once asked 10 questions from Crow. He answered just one... the remaining 9 remain unanswered...

But anyways... I would not mind to see a more peaceful and progressive communication and cooperation between the slavic states...its not so bad. But a union to undermine other races, neighbours...and make enemies....run for unreal goals....then Crow my brate...how can me or anyone logical hope and work for it?

Serbian history is in great deal resistance to Germanic invaders (particulary to Germans), sausage people. We call them KOBASIČARI (read- kobasichari). When later Turks invaded us, we found that they are similar to Germans. So, many Serb would tell you `Germans and Turks are same sh**`

Do you really think you should build your future on the hate and and hostility against another people? Do you really have nothing else...more important things?

And why don't you answer so many questions? Is it because you don't have any? Or is it that you know very well what you WOULD LIKE to do but you know also very well it wouldn't wash with the majority of your own people not to mention with the world community?

You cannot build something lasting based on hate and fear Crow, let me tell you that!


PS: I never knew....In german history Serbia rarely get's a mention at all...it can't have been that bad! :(

Well...read abit more. Its not that good. Not just with Serbia.


And I agree.

I dont want my children to have hatred against their neighbours. But then, if I dont tell them...will they not know and get influenced?... there are more chances that they will.

I would like to see love and respect between neighbours... But also I would like to see an attitude of acceptance of remorse (deep) and humbleness among those accused neighbour. Not because it will give me some peace...actually I dont derive peace by pitying someone. But this behaviour will act as a heart warming and softening attitude for the next generation. And slowly the effects will fade off.

The first step must be taken by the accused neighbour though. Think with logic here Bratwurst.