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The Poms who stood by the Poles in WW2


TheOther 6 | 3,692  
25 Nov 2009 /  #31
It makes the bitter pill of Poland’s defeat, collapse and yoking to the Soviet regime slightly easier to swallow.

Britain's decision to support Poland cost millions upon millions of lifes; both soldiers and civilians. I wonder if the British politicians would have decided differently if they would've known what the price of WW2 would be in the end.

Britain did not therefore have the army at the time to help Poland

Why did they sign the treaty with Poland then?
ShortHairThug - | 1,103  
25 Nov 2009 /  #32
I wonder if the British politicians would have decided differently if they would've known what the price of WW2 would be in the end.

Do you? I suppose you never did wonder what the ultimate price might have been if Europe was left to the Nazis.
TheOther 6 | 3,692  
25 Nov 2009 /  #33
ShortHairThug

Did I ask an inconvenient question?

what the ultimate price might be if Europe was left...

Europe was left to the Nazis for almost 5 years, and yes, I know what the ultimate price for that was. Besides: I don't believe that Britain stood up for Poland because it was a noble cause or because they wanted to protect humanity from the evil Nazis. It was all about their own power and influence in the world.
ShortHairThug - | 1,103  
25 Nov 2009 /  #34
Did I ask an inconvenient question?

Not at all.

Europe was left to the Nazis for almost 5 years

It has not, during this entire time there was someone to step on their toes.

I don't believe that Britain stood up for Poland because it was a noble cause or because they wanted to protect humanity from the evil Nazis. It was all about their own power and influence in the world.

Great deduction, so haw is it different from the opinion of many Poles on this forum, and that a lot of you get so offended by.
TheOther 6 | 3,692  
25 Nov 2009 /  #35
during this entire time there was someone to step on their toes

Yup, especially during the time between Dunkirk and D-Day... ;)

so haw is it different from the opinion of many Poles on this forum, and that a lot of you get so offended by.

I'm not Polish.
ShortHairThug - | 1,103  
25 Nov 2009 /  #36
especially during the time between Dunkirk

Now that’s questionable wouldn’t you say, you have to admit they steped on your toes so hard you had to go home to rest them a while.
TheOther 6 | 3,692  
25 Nov 2009 /  #37
Now that’s questionable wouldn’t you say

Well, dropping bombs on civilians is not particularly brave, is it? Not that the Germans were any better in this respect. Battle of Britain ... you're correct, of course.
ShortHairThug - | 1,103  
25 Nov 2009 /  #38
Well, dropping bombs on civilians is not particularly brave, is it?

We're not talking about civilians but British Expeditionary Force limping back to the Island.
TheOther 6 | 3,692  
25 Nov 2009 /  #39
Sorry, what do you mean? I was hinting at the bombing raids of the British and American airforces on European cities.
ShortHairThug - | 1,103  
25 Nov 2009 /  #40
I was hinting at the bombing raids of the British and American airforces on European cities.

At the time of Dunkirk?
TheOther 6 | 3,692  
25 Nov 2009 /  #41
Do I really have to answer?

But how can the "British Expeditionary Force limping back to the Island" (quoting you) be considered to step on Germany's toes?
ShortHairThug - | 1,103  
25 Nov 2009 /  #42
Do I really have to answer?

No you don’t, I have more than enough to form an opinion about you, thank you very much.
TheOther 6 | 3,692  
25 Nov 2009 /  #43
ShortHairThug

Sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about.

thank you very much

You're welcome.
Marek11111 9 | 816  
25 Nov 2009 /  #44
Harry
As is traditional at this point I will ask you to go into precise detail about the things which Britain could have done in September 1939 to help Poland and as is traditional for Poles who are asked to do so you will not be able to give even one thing which Britain could have done but did not do.

no one is interested in your lies as you post them in other posts, all you have just excuses.

tornado2007
I don't know how many times it needs explaining;

1. Britain after WWI downsized (in a big way) its armed forces

2. Britain did not therefore have the army at the time to help Poland

3. It would have taken a very very long time for our troops to arrive in Poland to assist
I: The army had to be reconstructed
II: Troop transport was a reall issue considering Poland was the otherside of Germany
III: There were not enough quality aircraft to transport the vast number of troops needed

the deal was to attack Germany from west side, and that did not happen.
Harry  
26 Nov 2009 /  #45
^ Can you go into detail about the document in which Britain promised to attack Germany from the west? And perhaps you could also tell us from where and with which forces Britain should have attacked Germany?

Alternatively you can be a classic Pole and just ignore all questions like that and bleat about western betrayal. I wonder which option you'll pick.
Amathyst 19 | 2,702  
26 Nov 2009 /  #46
no one is interested in your lies as you post them in other posts, all you have just excuses.

Why didnt you just answer the question, it was quite simple.

the deal was to attack Germany from west side, and that did not happen.

Which deal? You actually amused me with the above, it reminded me of a scene out of the Office, where they take the pi$$ out of the guy in the TA.
Marek11111 9 | 816  
26 Nov 2009 /  #47
yes Harry maybe you can show me the pic again when British navy going to fight Germans and polish navy in retreat , get real Harry.
Harry  
26 Nov 2009 /  #48
^ So what you are saying is that you can not name the document in which Britain agreed to attack Germany from the west because no such document exists, you can not say where Britain could have launched an attack on Germany in September 1939 because no such place exists, you can not specify the forces with which Britain could have attacked Germany in September 1939 because no such forces existed and you can not give a single thing which Britain could have done in September 1939 to help Poland which Britain did not do.

But of course none of this will stop you bleating about how terrible the British were during WWII. How very Polish of you.
Wroclaw Boy  
26 Nov 2009 /  #49
I was hinting at the bombing raids of the British and American airforces on European cities.

German, german cities old chap.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,712  
26 Nov 2009 /  #50
Ask the French!
Many were not especially happy about the allied troops as many cities which managed to survive the Germans quite fine but got now bombed into oblivion by the american/british airforce. Interesting chapter of the war.

The Allied bombing of the French city of Caen on D-Day was "close to a war crime", according to leading historian Antony Beevor

'How many Frenchmen did you kill?' British bombing policy towards France (1940-1945)

The Allies embarked on an extensive campaign of bombing in France beginning in 1940, accelerating from March 1942 and becoming particularly intensive from the spring of 1944. This was to cause considerable material damage and loss of human life. Overall almost all 70 000 French civilians were killed by Allied bombs, more than the 43 000 Britons killed by German bombs during the Second World War[1].

Historians challenge rosy D-Day story, expose Allied atrocities, rape, looting
...
"It was profoundly traumatic for the people of Normandy," said Christophe Prime, a historian at the Peace Memorial in Caen.
"Think of the hundreds of tons of bombs destroying entire cities and wiping out families. But the suffering of civilians was for many years masked by the over-riding image - that of the French welcoming the liberators with open arms."

'Sullen' welcome

According to Prime, it was during the 60th anniversary commemoration five years ago that the taboo first began to lift.
At town meetings across Normandy, witnesses - now on their 70s - spoke of the terrible things they had seen as children...

....and that was only the Normandy. Till May 45 the allied bombed alot of cities, european cities not only german ones.
Ironside 51 | 11,510  
26 Nov 2009 /  #51
Poland however had a huge army and huge military budget at that time! Though their weapons were old and their military infrastructure ancient.

Was?Que?
Wroclaw Boy  
26 Nov 2009 /  #52
Till May 45 the allied bombed alot of cities, european cities not only german ones.

Do you have some kind of alarm system set up that links key words written on PF such as German, Nazi, Hitler etc.. directly to your brain?
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
26 Nov 2009 /  #53
Hehehe, he seems to have. America has continued with their golden tradition of blue-on-blue, friendly fire. Many Scots stood by the Poles in WWII. They had a large contingent in Glasgow and my grandad can remember talking with them with their broken English.
Harry  
26 Nov 2009 /  #54
....and that was only the Normandy.

No discussion of Allied war crimes in Normandy would be complete without mentioning the brave heroes of the 1st Polish Armoured Division who executed 1,300 of the 1,500 German POWs who fell into their hands after the battle of the Falaise Pocket in August 1944.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,712  
26 Nov 2009 /  #55
Do you have some kind of alarm system set up that links key words written on PF such as German, Nazi, Hitler etc.. directly to your brain?

Damn....now you found out my secret! *wails* I think I might have to shoot you now...
szkotja2007 27 | 1,498  
26 Nov 2009 /  #56
executed 1,300 of the 1,500 German POWs

Do you have a link for this ( I have searched ) ? Thanks
Harry  
26 Nov 2009 /  #57
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Armoured_Division_(Poland)
szkotja2007 27 | 1,498  
26 Nov 2009 /  #58
Thanks Harry. To be honest, it looks like a lot of Ambroses factual writings have been queried.

Just realised there was a lengthy thread on the subject on these forums already.

Another good source are the discussions on this forum Poland Axis history.

There is enough on the Axis forum to keep Bratwurst Boy going for months :-)
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,712  
26 Nov 2009 /  #59
There is enough on the Axis forum to keep Bratwurst Boy going for months :-)

Manno...I was an Axis (forum)-veteran already before I found PF! ;)
(I even had their logo as my avatar in the beginning...not taken lightly here first...had to change it...)
Harry  
26 Nov 2009 /  #60
Thanks Harry. To be honest, it looks like a lot of Ambroses factual writings have been queried.

Maybe, but he isn't the orginal source for this, he's quoting John Colby "War From the Ground".

There is one more quotation from Colby's book: "We learned that the Polish troops had a simple formula in determining what to do with Polish nationals, a number of whom had been conscripted to serve in the German army. If the Polish soldier was a private, he was issued a Polish (British) uniform and incorporated into the Polish units. If the Polish soldier was serving as a non-commisioned officer or higher rank, he was immediately shot for cooperating with the enemy".

From forum.axishistory:

"The Poles claim they turned over all their POWs (1906) to the Americans in Chambois during a single day and the Americans have a receipt (plus memoirs) the Poles turned over 950 POWs to them in two groups and within two days. Fate of 956 POWs is unknown.

The same members claim the soldiers of this division admited after the war they had murdered a large group of SS men during the battle of Falaise."

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